Talk:WAVES/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs) 00:12, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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Pretty good. I have a little of small changes and suggestions

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose is "clear and concise", without spelling and grammar errors:

   See below

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

   See below

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   B. Cites reliable sources, where necessary:

   C. No original research:

   D. No copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

   Could be better. Some parts are still a bit rah-rah

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Lead

• "Lieutenant Commander" should be lower-case
  •  Done - Pendright (talk) 00:40, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
• "Fleet Admiral Ernest King, and Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz all commended the WAVES for their contributions to the war effort." Wording is right but links are wrong. Should read: "Fleet Admiral Ernest King and Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz"
  •  Done - Pendright (talk) 00:40, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

History

• I was expecting something about the Women in the Navy during WWI
  • With authorization from the Secretary of the Navy, the Navy Department, in 1917, enrolled women in the Naval Coast Defense Reserve in the ratings of yeoman and electricians (radio), or in such other ratings as the Commandants considered essential to the District organization. Source: Lady in the Navy, Joy Bright Hancock, pages 22 & 23. Right or wrong, I took the position that the WAVES was a separate and distinct organization regarding the article.

    Sure. All I meant was a passing mention eg "to propose legislation, authorizing women to serve in the Navy, as it had done during World War I" Hawkeye7 (talk) 05:55, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

   Done - I finally got your drift, thanks! Pendright (talk) 00:40, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

• "The word auxiliary meant" quote "auxiliary" here
  • Meant was my word, the source used suggests so it’s now changed to read: As the word auxiliary suggests, women would serve not in the Army, but with it." As such, women were deprived of full military status and denied the benefits of their male counterparts. - Pendright (talk) 01:05, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
• Link Bureau of Aeronautics, Bureau of Naval Personnel, Navy Department, Secretary of the Navy, Margaret Chung, US Marine Corps, US Naval Reserve, Sweet Briar College, Radcliffe College, University of North Carolina, University of Michigan,University of Pennsylvania, Duke University, Thomas Sovereign Gates, Wellesley College, Eleanor Roosevelt, SPARS, Yeoman (F), seersucker, Northampton, Massachusetts, Cedar Falls, Iowa, Hunter College, the Bronx. Oxford, Ohio, Harvard Mark I, parachute rigger, Yeoman (United States Navy), Army Commendation Ribbon
  •  Done -Pendright (talk) 02:14, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
• "Admiral Chester W.Nimitz" -> "Rear Admiral Chester W. Nimitz" (and note the space between the stop and the N)
  •  Done - Pendright (talk) 20:15, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
• "In her book, Lady in the Navy," -> " In her book, Lady in the Navy,"
  •  Done -Pendright (talk) 20:38, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
• "In Crossed Currents, the" -> "In Crossed Currents, the"
  •  Done - Pendright (talk) 20:38, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
• "who did not favor the WACC concept" -> "who did not favor the WAAC concept"
  •  Done - fixed by Hawkeye, thanks! Pendright (talk) 19:54, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
• "(Less than a year later, 1 July 1043, congress refashioned the Women's Army Auxiliary Corps (WAAC) into the Women's Army Corps (WAC), providing its members with similar military status as the WAVES.)" 1043 -> 1943, and remove the outer parentheses
  •  Done - fixed by Hawkeye, thanks! Pendright (talk) 19:54, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
• "She was commissioned a Lieutenant Commander on 3 August 1942" "Lieutenant Commander" should be lower-case (and linked)
  •  Done - Pendright (talk) 21:17, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
• " In More Than A Uniform" -> " In More Than a Uniform" (note lower case A)
  •  Done - Pendright (talk) 22:44, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
• "theWAVES" -> "the WAVES"
  •  Done - Pendright (talk) 00:42, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
• "Little or no attempt was made to recruit African-American or other women minorities until October 1944, when President Roosevelt approved of accepting African-American women into the women's reserve. But, he was under pressure to do so by African-American organizations." -> "Little or no attempt was made to recruit African-American or other minorities until October 1944, when President Roosevelt approved accepting African-American women into the women's reserve, under pressure to do so by African-American organizations."
  •  Done - Pendright (talk) 23:10, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
• "campses" -> "campuses"
  •  Done - fixed by Hawkeye, thanks! Pendright (talk) 06:00, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
• "at which tie" -> "at which they"
  •  Done - fixed by Hawkeye, thanks! Pendright (talk) 06:00, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
• "Cpt." -> "Captain"
  •  Done - fixed by Hawkeye, thanks! Pendright (talk) 06:00, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
• "Cmdr" -> "Commander"
  •  Done - fixed by Hawkeye, thanks! Pendright (talk) 06:00, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Two more points:

• I am willing to take your word for it that the WAVES were disbanded in 1948, but I know that the name continued in use. Note, for example, in the Women in the United States Navy article it says: "Lieutenant Charlene I. Suneson became the first line WAVES officer to be ordered to shipboard duty". Consider adding something to clear this up.

  I have corrected the remaining typos, so this remains the only outstanding issue. Basically, our sources, including (oddly) this article, maintain that the WAVES remained until 1978. Hawkeye7 (talk) 05:55, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

  On 30 July 1948, the Women's Armed Services Integration Act (Public Law 625) was signed into law, allowing women to serve in the regular Navy. The wartime assumptions that prohibited women from duty in any unit designated as having a combat mission carried over with the 1948 Act, which effectively incorporated women into service organizations; legally keeping them from being integrated into the heart of the military and naval professions for more than a quarter of a century. Even though the WAVES no longer existed, the obsolete acronym continued in popular and official usage until the 1970s.

• There's a bit more to the desegregation issue, which I think gives credit in the wrong places. From Integration of the Armed Forces, p. 87:

  Convinced that the step was just and inevitable, the unit also agreed that the WAVES should be integrated. Forrestal approved, and on 28 July 1944 he recommended to the President that Negroes be trained in the WAVES on an integrated basis and assigned wherever needed within the continental limits of the United States, preferably to stations where there are already Negro men. He concluded by reiterating a Special Programs Unit warning: "I consider it advisable to start obtaining Negro WAVES before we are forced co take them."
  
  To avoid the shoals of racial controversy in the midst of an election year, Secretary Forrestal did trim his recommendations to the extent that he retained the doctrine of separate but equal living quarters and mess facilities for the black WAVES. Despite this offer of compromise, President Roosevelt directed Forrestal to withhold action on the proposal. Here the matter would probably have stood until after the election but for Thomas E. Dewey's charge in a Chicago speech during the presidential campaign that the White House was discriminating against black women. The President quickly instructed the Navy to admit Negroes into the WAVES.

And while you (correctly) say "fully integrated", it points out that: "black WAVES were restricted somewhat in speciality assignments and a certain amount of separate quartering within imegratcd barracks prevailed at some duty stations"

Originally, the idea was that the women would be segregated, but their numbers were too small for this to be practical. But once the women were desegregated, the door was open to do the same to the men. So it was very important. Hawkeye7 (talk) 05:55, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

All in all, very well done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:12, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Alright, that will do then. Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:31, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. Pendright (talk) 19:12, 13 February 2016 (UTC)