Talk:WCPN

Latest comment: 1 year ago by Aoidh in topic Did you know nomination

Analog format

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  • Only 2,000 of the 13,000 analog AM/FM radio stations in the U.S. have converted to HD; of those that have converted, all still broadcast via analog as mandated by the FCC. Moreoever, the first HD channel of every HD Radio station is a simulcast of the analog signal -- again, as mandated by the FCC.[1]
  • 239 million analog radio listeners in the U.S. vs. only 3 million HD Radio units. By far, analog is still the preferred choice among radio consumers.[2]
  • Clearly, the infobox should reflect that analog technology is still the dominant form of transmission. It's also no secret that the radio industry has been heavily promoting HD Radio; by including only the HD Radio formats, one begins to question the credibility of this article's content. Wikipedia is an encyclopedic endeavor, not a brochure for iBiquity. Levdr1 (talk) 20:35, 11 February 2011 (UTC)Reply

Requested move

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 11:06, 13 May 2013 (UTC)Reply


WCLV (FM)WCLV – Per WP:PRIMARYUSAGE and WP:RADIONAMING. The subject of this article, a radio station (104.9 FM) licensed to Lorain, Ohio, United States, is currently the only broadcast station using the WCLV base callsign (WCLV, WCLV-FM, or WCLV-TV), and has done so since 2003. WCLV (disambiguation) serves to disambiguate from two other radio stations which have used the WCLV base callsign in the past. No other known articles/subjects use "WCLV" as a meaning and/or abbreviation. Levdr1lp / talk 00:28, 6 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I first moved WCLV to WCLV (FM) on 04-20-13.[3] In retrospect, this was a mistake. I originally thought WCLV ought to serve as a disambiguation page for three radio station articles (this article, which currently identifies as "WCLV", and two other in-market stations which formerly identified as "WCLV"). However, upon realizing that no other broadcast stations currently use the WCLV base callsign, and that no other articles use "WCLV" as a title, alternative title, or abbreviation, I concluded that WCLV (disambiguation) now better serves as the disambiguation page per WP:PRIMARYUSAGE and WP:RADIONAMING. Levdr1lp / talk 01:54, 8 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:WCPN/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: OliveYouBean (talk · contribs) 03:41, 30 November 2022 (UTC)Reply


G'day! Seeing as this article's been waiting so long I figure I'll have a go at reviewing it. Hopefully shouldn't take too long. :) OliveYouBean (talk) 03:41, 30 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

Rate Attribute Review Comment
1. Well-written:
  1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. In the fifth paragraph of the "WZLE" section, you've written "Contemporary Christian music" with "Contemporary" capitalised even though it's in the middle of a sentence, this should probably be changed.

Couldn't find anything else. :)

  1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. MOS:SAID: there's a few places where more neutral wording could be used (like just saying "said" or "stated")

at the end of the WZLE section: "Howser asserted that Jacor management pledged to give the station and format autonomy" - could sound like you're calling into question the veracity of his "assertion"

in the WAKS section: "Former WZLE personality John Palmer claimed to have fielded 200 phone calls" - could imply that he was lying

also in the WAKS section: "One remaining employee noted to the Journal," - feels like it's better to use "commented" or something similar here

Keeping in this section, MOS:REALTIME suggests "what is now WMTX" should be rephrased. There's some other places which use "current" (like the caption for the photo of the transmitter) where ideally you'd reword, but I'm not concerned about them because I can't think of a better way of phrasing it.

2. Verifiable with no original research:
  2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. All good. :)
  2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). fybush.com looks like it's WP:SELFPUBLISHED, do you have more info on this source?

Rest is all good. :)

  2c. it contains no original research. All good. :)
  2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. All good. :)
3. Broad in its coverage:
  3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. All good. :)
  3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). The only part that feels a bit over-sized is the description of all the acquisitions and swaps, but it's hard to imagine that the article would be improved if that was cut down so I'm gonna say this is all good. :)
  4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. All good. :)
  5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. All good. :)
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
  6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. I don't think the fair use rationales for the logos are valid.

The rationale for the KISS logo says "The image is used to identify the organization WCPN", but given its placement in the article I don't think this would hold up to scrutiny.

The rationale for the WCLV logo says "The image is placed in the infobox at the top of the article discussing WCPN", which is just straight-up not true.

I just saw you added a new image, and since it's copyrighted I don't think it should be used in this way. One of the criteria for using non-free content is "Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." I don't really see how using a picture of Gene Sens increases readers' understanding of the radio station.

  6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. All good. :)
  7. Overall assessment.

I'll have a look at 1b when I get the chance tomorrow. The fair use rationales are the only thing I'm super worried about, otherwise I'm sure this article can be promoted pretty quickly. Thanks for all your hard work on this! OliveYouBean (talk) 04:55, 30 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

@OliveYouBean: Hi!!! I just started a new job this week but I'm ready to go! Thank you for the review!

  • 1a: Fixed. :)
  • 2a: Scott is generally regarded as a subject matter expert, particularly in television and radio.
  • 6b: Those non-free logos actually date back to before my rewrite; in the case of the second logo, it was in the infobox prior to my rewrite being ported over in late March. Both were removed. :)

You might have also noticed there's a bit more info, turns out that The Morning Journal pre-2000 archives got added to NewsBank between the time I made the nomination up to today. As IABot is still not working properly, I manually archived them all. Also tweaked the lede as it felt it could be improved on a bit. Nathan Obral • he/him • tc03:49, 2 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the reply! I've been pretty busy with work too, but should be able to do a bit more on this tomorrow. Hopefully we're almost done here. OliveYouBean (talk) 09:13, 2 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the patience with all the edits (and additional content) I put in! These outstanding items should be tidied up:
  • 1b: I found Len's comment and put it in instead. Trying to paraphrase it wasn't lending the same impact the direct quote offered.
Re: Palmer - fixed. Reread the article, it was not framed as a claim.
Redid that with "commented" and to better contextualize things.
"the current WMTX" works for me.
  • 6: My rationale was in the mind of contextual significance, but this is a good point. I removed the picture, if it works better without, I can just get the image speedy deleted.
Hopefully these edits help! Have a good weekend. Nathan Obral • he/him • tc06:33, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Courtesy pinging for @OliveYouBean. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 19:26, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the reply and changes. I'm happy with everything now, so going to promote the article. Great job on it! OliveYouBean (talk) 08:26, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for all of your help and input, OliveYouBean! Do have a great day! Nathan Obral • he/him • tc17:37, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

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Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 20:36, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Aoidh (talk20:01, 24 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Improved to Good Article status by Nathan Obral (talk). Self-nominated at 06:19, 10 December 2022 (UTC).Reply