Talk:WHO public health prizes and awards

Notability

This article is very much sources from primary sources. Is the topic notable? Are these awards making news or academic articles or books? CT55555(talk) 23:24, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

@CT55555 How about now? if you ask me, each prize deserve a WP given the coverage each award receives FuzzyMagma (talk) 01:19, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

I could go through the 164 references in this new article, but if you could maybe just point out a couple of independent ones, I hope you can see how that might be a fairer way to answer the question? CT55555(talk) 01:26, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

@CT55555 I will reply later, for now I am trying to find a reference to each winner beyond WHO docuements and twitts. Thanks for rating the article as B FuzzyMagma (talk) 11:33, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Should this article be a list?

@FuzzyMagma I saw you asked and then deleted. I think it's a good question. I think there is no clear answer.

I turned into Nansen Refugee Award into List of Nansen Refugee Award laureates, taking my cues from List of Nobel laureates.

In its current form, this seems more like a list. I might even have made a list of awards as one article and then for ones that were notable, had a separate linked article with the laureates. Notwithstanding, I currently don't know what passes the notability threshold. CT55555(talk) 19:28, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

@CT55555 sorry for deleting the question. I think I found my answer by looking around. I will make individual awards as a list and then keep the article with information about each award and link to the list. I will then rate this WP as a start as it need more writing about the history of each award with notes covering some controversies, adding pictures for the prize itself, and generally expand the WP beyond the basic description. FuzzyMagma (talk) 21:17, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

@CT55555 would you mind taking a look and rate the main article again? I might be asking for someone to say I did a good job espically on List of The Darling Foundation Prize laureates and List of Léon Bernard Foundation Prize laureates :) .. but more than that a feedback will be highly appreciated. FuzzyMagma (talk) 11:39, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

The rater tool actually rates it as a C, lower than the current rating. I did not adjust it downwards. My perception is that this article looks better than it did last time I looked and that it does a good job of conveoying information.

Specific points of feedback:

1. I am not certain, but it still feels like a list.
2. The lede is too short, it doesn't summarise the article well.
3. It's good to see less citations, but still it feels over cited. It is not common to state something and then have 3, 4 or 5 citations to back up one point. One is usually enough.
4. You should consider (I don't have time to check, I am saying this based on perceptions, based on very quick analysis) how much the article relies on WHO sources (primary, bad) in contract with news and academia (secondary sources, good). Right now it feels like a lot of what WHO says about the awards, rather than independent sources, but I could be wrong.
5. Breaking the details into separate articles, use of tables is a major improvement.

In summary

• I give this high marks for conveying a lot of information clearly information
• Questionable marks for independent
• Medium score for matching wikipedia style, especially how short sections are.

CT55555(talk) 14:20, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

thanks alot @CT55555. I will take these comments and try to improve the WP. I might have over-referenced but maybe becuaseI was concerned about notability. FuzzyMagma (talk) 18:30, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

People who question notability will find it easy to agree with you with fewer and better references, rather than lots. Show me that CNN and BBC covered an aware, and I'll be the biggest supporter. Show me 15 references from WHO Foundation and passing mentions or just focussing on the winner rather than the award, and my skepticism radar activates. Usually lots of references is a red flag that the editor was struggling to prove notability. CT55555(talk) 20:04, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

@CT55555 Most of what I write is normally not BBC and CNN worthy but they tend to be covered/celebrated locally. I had hard times convincing admins here that a Facebook post from a known (African) journalist is as credible as BBC in some regions. And my mind tend to think that 4 “trash” references - by western standards - can (maybe) mount to a reliable reference. Anyway, I understand your general sentiment and will try to apply it whenever I can .. let’s (if I can) I will try to make this amazing place more inclusive. For example: now I can go and write about the people who won these prizes without fear about notability. Let’s call it a good gateway to include incredible health organisations that are doing amazing work but hardly get noticed by BBC and CNN, but well recognised by WHO and local journalists. Anyway, thanks alot for your feedback.FuzzyMagma (talk) 22:45, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

I like your strategy. I spent a lot of this year making articles about the winners at List of Nansen Refugee Award laureates with a similar sentiment. CT55555(talk) 05:00, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

@CT55555 it took me a bit of maturing to agree with you that this article is more of a list .. and congratulation on your FA .. hopefully more to come .. FuzzyMagma (talk) 08:02, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Ha, yes, I do still think this article would work better in more of a list format. I appreciate your continued improvements and I think this article could be a brilliant list article. CT55555(talk) 14:13, 27 March 2023 (UTC)