Talk:WLIW (TV)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Epicgenius (talk · contribs) 22:42, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Sammi, I'll review this.

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Prose, POV, and coverage

Funnily, I used to watch channel 21 all the time. Anyway, getting right to it.

Lead:

• Para 2: By multiplex, do you mean multiplexing or multiplex (television)? I would link it, either way.
• Para 3: I would link Long Island, cable television, and public TV
• Para 3: In 2003, after an 18-month process, WLIW and WNET merged. - Since a year only has 12 months, I presume you mean that WLIW and WNET completed their merger in 2003, not that the entire 18-month process happened that year.

History - Early history:

• Para 1: The Nassau County Board of Supervisors voted on February 14, 1968, to provide funding to set up an educational television station on Long Island, thereby also accessing New York state matching funds
  • I would link matching funds
  • I'd also rephrase to "matching funds from the New York state government"
• Para 1: with the station still not completely set up and technicians using screwdrivers to adjust audio levels including a series of hearings on the Long Island Rail Road,[7] Official broadcasting did not begin until January 27.[8] - the comma after Long Island Rail Road should be a period.
• Para 2: nearly four years after starting up. - I'd change to something like "nearly four years after the station started up."
• Para 2: The station finally got studio space to use - "To use" seems a little redundant here (e.g. would the station acquire studio space only to use it as storage?)
• Para 2: but that arrangement lasted two years; station operations were moved into a mobile van, which some employees claimed was due to a vote by technicians to unionize- This seems like it could be split into a new sentence, e.g. "After two years, station operations were moved into a mobile van, which some employees claimed was due to a vote by technicians to unionize"
• Para 4: an additional non-financial problem at the station: an acceptance of living in the shadow of WNET and a "defeatist" attitude - Aren't these two problems? Or was the attitude caused by their acceptance of living in WNET's shadow?
• Para 5: The 1980s would bring expanded coverage for WLIW in New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut - I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think it might be good to link NJ and CT here.
• Para 6: economy took a nosedive - I would link Early 1990s recession in the United States if applicable.
• Para 6: By 2001, it had an office in Manhattan, at which 15 of its 65 employees worked - Was this the 1 Worldwide Plaza office? (I didn't find anything about WLIW when improving the 1 Worldwide Plaza article, which is why I asked.)
• Come to think of it, I don't see any cites for the 1 Worldwide Plaza or for the Lincoln Center studios anywhere in the article.

Merger with WNET:

• Para 2: The move would save WLIW $5 million in digital conversion costs and reduce duplication of shows between the stations, which would "retain their distinct public identities";[39] it also was met with some opposition on Long Island, including from one WLIW board member who resigned over what she felt was a reduction of local programming[44] and from longtime Newsday television columnist Marvin Kitman, who decried an "assault on the public interest" which he compared to appeasement toward Nazi Germany.[45] - This sentence is pretty long; I would condense it.
• Did anything major happen at WLIW after 2004 (aside from the relocation of POV and Independent Lens in 2015)? I know WLIW has basically aired PBS shows from 2004 onward, but it is still kind of strange to not mention any other changes, including the aforementioned opening of the Worldwide Plaza/Lincoln Center studios.
  • I see that the WNET article says While most of the two stations' operations have been merged, they still have separate studio facilities, separate governing boards, and conduct separate fundraising efforts.. Does this mean that the relevant details are actually on the WNET article? If so, I'd briefly mention some of the more major changes here (e.g. the WNET studios at Lincoln Center opening in 2014).
    • Added both of these.

Local programming:

• Para 1: Programs of local interest include the monthly WLIW Arts Beat and Treasures of New York. - I'm not seeing this in the source. Could you find other sources for these? (Incidentally, I have seen both programs before, so I know they exist - it's just that it's not in the current.org source.)
  • A show listing is the best I can do for coverage of both in one.
• Para 2: In 2020, WLIW debuted Drive By History, which spotlights roadside history markers on Long Island and in New Jersey - Not a GA concern, but I find it surprising that there is absolutely no secondary coverage of this program.
• Para 3: this continued for one year until being canceled in 1991 due to budget cuts - It's redundant to say that the program "continued for one year until being canceled", then mentioning the cancellation date. I'd go with "this was canceled in 1991 due to budget cuts".

Analog-to-digital conversion:

• The WNET Group relocated WLIW to One World Trade Center in 2019 - Relocated from Plainview? (The image caption says this as well.)
• Per WP:CAPFRAG, I'd remove the period from "The WLIW facility circa 2011, after renovations."
• The WNET Group filed revised 3.0 plans in September 2023 for an October 16, 2023, start date - Did it start on that date?
  • Yes. This wasn't in here yet because, uh, that was Monday.
    • Lol, I thought this said "September 2022". Oops... Epicgenius (talk) 18:01, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

– Epicgenius (talk) 16:46, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

• @Epicgenius: All issues fixed. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:57, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks. I will look at this later, after work. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:57, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

References

Spotchecks tomorrow. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:49, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

General notes:

• You might want to change "Newsday (Suffolk Edition)" and "Newsday (Nassau Edition)" to just "Newsday". I noticed that, if the source is clipped from newspapers.com, the VisualEditor/2017 wikitext editor/Citoid citation tool will generate a reference with "Newsday (Suffolk Edition)" and "Newsday (Nassau Edition)" as the name of the work. (By the way, the editions are usually mostly the same).
• Also, I noticed that some of the Newsday sources have publication places, and some do not.
• The New York Daily News sources are also inconsistently formatted. This is probably also the result of the VE/2017 wikitext/Citoid tool auto-generating newspapers.com references. Not really a big deal, more like a pet peeve.

Spotchecks (diff numbers from this version):

• 12 ("Channel 21 Considering Studio at Stony Brook". Newsday (Suffolk Edition). September 16, 1977. p. 44.) - Verified
• 19 (Goodman, Peter (December 11, 1980). "Ch. 21 is alive and heading for solvency". Newsday (Suffolk Edition). p. II:54.) - Verified
• 23 (Fetherston, Drew (December 2, 1983). "Arthur M. Gillick, 35, WLIW General Manager". Newsday (Suffolk Edition). p. 38.) - Verified
• 33 (Jensen, Elizabeth (April 1, 2010). "BBC News and WNET Are Together Again". The New York Times.) - Verified
• 34 (Grossman, Karl (March 4, 2001). "Does Long Island Need WLIW? Merging Channel 21 with its city counterpart should be of deep concern". Newsday (Nassau Edition). p. B7) - Verified. A shame that it doesn't actually tell us exactly where the studio is, but then again, the source is more about the TV station and less about buildings.
• 42 (Mantius, Peter (March 16, 2001). "Channel 21 merger talks teetering". Long Island Business News. p. 1A.) - For some reason, the New York Public Library has no access to the source, so I'll AGF on this, but the citation data seems to check out.
• 56 ("Consuelo Mack WealthTrack". WLIW) - Verified.

@Sammi Brie: I think we should be good to go after you address the general notes (they're all minor, and you could choose whether to skip them). Epicgenius (talk) 13:36, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Images and copyright

• All images are properly licensed, relevant to the article, and have alts. However, for some reason the {{Multiple image}} template at the bottom of the article disables links to where the images are hosted on Commons.
• Copyvio check didn't reveal any plagiarism/close paraphrasing.

– Epicgenius (talk) 16:49, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@Epicgenius Yeah, that's PressPass at work. Fixed all the issues. The reason there were so many empty location parameters is because that stopped working (and I later nerfed my copy of the script to stop making them). Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 16:18, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

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