Talk:WNYZ-LD

CSN speculation

Snox8x8, unless you have a source for the CSN time brokerage agreement, then it is original research. I looked exhaustively across two days and have not been able to find confirmation of the deal, even on the CSN website you inserted into the page. Please avoid an edit war and find a source. Dylan Hsu (talk) 12:04, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

The source is the Time Brokerage Agreement signed by Christian Satellite Network International and Island Broadcasting. Island is leasing the use of the WNYZ audio carrier to CSN full time. CSN's lease goes into effect February 1. Snow8x8 (talk) 18:25, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

• Verifiability not truth... while it may be true they have entered into a time brokerage agreement, this information has not been published. Additionally, any material must "clearly support the material as presented in the article." If CSN or Island Broadcasting release an official statement, then the information is verifiable, but at present, I strongly feel otherwise. Burden of evidence quoted below, correct me if I am wrong on this position.
  • "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation. The source should be cited clearly and precisely, with page numbers where appropriate, and must clearly support the material as presented in the article. If no reliable, third-party sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it."

Dylan Hsu (talk) 19:58, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

The full terms of the Time Brokerage Agreement is not public but Island Broadcasting confirms that there is a Time Brokerage Agreement with CSN. I have an inside connection with Island Broadcasting. Snow8x8 (talk) 01:43, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

• Inside connections are not reliable sources. Don't even bother reverting my edit until you find a reliable and published source, otherwise the information is not verifiable and I'll just have to remove it again. The supposed "source" you are using is, as far as the rest of Wikipedia cares, ORIGINAL RESEARCH. It is not a valid source. It is not reliable and it is not published to a third party, so the information is not valid. Dylan Hsu (talk) 02:41, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

• I agree, this CSN deal is not mentioned anywhere else online, not even on the usual trade sites that have been aware of every single other move related to WNYZ (not to mention CSN and their numerous translator stations) well in advanced in the past. Until another site posts it as confirmation (preferabbly CSN's own site, or some place with credibility like Fybush or 10k Watts), and does NOT refer to your wiki edits as the only source, it's just speculation in wikipedia's and the rest of the industry's eyes.Kyl416 (talk) 05:04, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Scott Fybush also confirms 87.7 will be a CSN on February 1 on the latest Northeast Radio Watch. All Access also confirms the deal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snow8x8 (talk • contribs) 22:25, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

• No, Scott Fybush flat out says an UNSOURCED wikipedia entry says it will be CSN, and that he has been UNABLE TO CONFIRM this. All Access also only sites wikipedia when they mentioned CSN, and even more recent entry says they're hearing rumors of a Korean format instead.Kyl416 (talk) 03:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

• There is a source which supports the Indie Darkroom format which began on the 28th. I tuned in on the 28th and heard indie bands, and they've got a website and a Facebook page which has the information published. Stow the CSN rumor, it looks like this is the verifiable information for now. Dylan Hsu (talk) 16:23, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
  • It's now February 1st, Dylan can you confirm if the Indie music is still there or if 87.7 switched to one of the rumored formats?Kyl416 (talk) 17:44, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
  • It was still pretty indie as of yesterday, and I can't dig up anything else on the Internet. Dylan Hsu (talk) 12:39, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Technical specs

Technical inaccuracy here - 87.7 MHz is not an actual FM broadcast frequency. It is in fact the audio subcarrier of VHF TV channel 6. Also, the actual frequency is 87.75 MHz. However, I am updating the article as it appears that WNYZ is now broadcasting on TV again. Ryan 03:09, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

In January of 2008, the station will flip to a Top 40 Rhythmic format as "Pulse 88.7". According to what I have read and heard elsewhere, it's going to be called "Pulse 87." -- 24.46.65.125 18:57, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

To clarify, 87.7 MHz is not an FM radio broadcast band frequency in most NTSC-M countries, including Canada and the United States, because of the allocation of 82-88 MHz to VHF TV 6. The frequency does, however, clearly fall within the 87.5-108MHz FM broadcast band in many other countries, including most or all of Europe. (It also falls within the Japanese 76-90 MHz FM broadcast band.) Most FM receivers will include the frequency because it is indeed valid for radio in most PAL or SECAM nations worldwide, leaving one less thing which needs to be changed between North American and European versions of the same receiver. --66.102.80.212 (talk) 02:04, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Central New Jersey?

WNYZ does not come in in most if any of Central New Jersey it is overpowered by ABC's WPVI-TV 6 from Philadelphia. DLA75 ^That is not really true post the June 12th switch to digital.

Yeah it is. WPVI's digital signal is ON channel 6. And if WNYZ-LP is causing problems in Central Jersey please file complaints with the FCC and WPVI as a DTV channel 6 channel is hard enough to recieve in many areas without a bogus 87.7 FM station interfering. This franken-FM has been reaking havock in so many areas since they exploited LPTV loopholes and reallocated their TV power to broadcast with an FM stereo standard, making their signal extend well beyond their service contour, even into the Poconos.Kyl416 (talk) 17:44, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Digital plans/effects?

Anyone clear on the FCC regs regarding low power analog tv stations when the switch occurs? My question is whether this station (and others...) would be allowed to transmit both signals (analog and digital) after 12-June. That would let them continue their (pseudo) 87.7 FM audio signal.(This would require that the analog and the digital signals be on different frequencies, I guess...). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki-ny-2007 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

^ Stations on channel 6 have always had the added benefit of appearing on most FM radios. The rules are not written in stone and at points are rather vague. However, the facts are these. LPTV currently has no mandate to switch to digital, though many including WNYZ have done so as over the air viewers are using digital boxes anyway. As for the audio use of 87.75 it can currently be done based on the rules of DTV under the filing of an auxilary service. (There is a fee attached to such an option) Right now there are little restrictions on what counts as an aux service. The only hard and fast rule is that stations wishing to provide an aux service can only do so if it does not interfere with thier primary licensed operation. WNYZ has elected to use a special transmitter that allows them to accomplish that. So for the foreseeable future WNYZ is ok, even if a LPTV switchover is mandated. However should the FCC clarify the auxilary service rules to say perhaps aux services must be provided in digital only, then Pulse 87 would be in trouble. Though most likely such clarification is unlikely given the small number of situations this is even possible for. - 07-18-09

So far, the FCC has not stated a final deadline for conversion of Class-A, Low-Power, and Translator stations, though there has been some idea of possibly requiring to convert them all starting in 2012... that will most-likely not happen, however, as we're almost in 2010 already as i type this (December 1, 2009). if you want to be technical, the audio channel is 87.5 FM, but can be heard at 87.70/87.75 in mono and at half-volume (due to analog FM stereo of television channels in NTSC-M/PAL-M having their carrier wave centered at 87.5, and we simply recieve the upper half of it at 87.75).

WRGB-DT was given permission to attempt operating a special polarized analog FM signal at 87.75 FM to repeat its signal, but it caused co-channel interference with its digital signal on channel 6, and thus, the experiment was a failure (the goal was to see if it could operate without interfering).

The FCC has also been mulling about the idea of potentially auctioning off channels 5 and 6 to create an exteded FM band, from roughly 65.8 Mhz to 108 MHz (expanding above 107.9 MHz is impossible due to most airports using VOR guidance systems from 108-137 MHz. This would at least extend the FM band down to the japanese FM band (76-90 MHz). Most of europe has already auctioned off their entire VHF bands to be used for Digital Audio Broadcasting. The old OIRT FM band in the USSR was at 65.8-74 MHz, and it's entirely possible that the FCC may just shut down all VHF-Low television broadcasts, like Europe did, and extend the FM band down to 55 MHz (channel 2), though there are two problems wiht this: possible interference from the 4- and 6-meter amateur bands, and the small 4-MHz gap between channels 4 and 5 (reserved at 70 MHz for devices like RC airplanes and telephones). I see auctioning off channels 5 and 6 as a distinct and somewhat-likely possibility, though i'm sure the FCC may also simply reserve Channel 6 as a low-power/analog TV channel. RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 08:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually WRGB-DT didn't have permission, and they polarized their signal on 87.9. They just assumed since stations like WNYZ can do it, they could. But the FCC forced them to stop, since unlike LPTV with loosely defined rules that WNYZ-LP exploits, full power DTV has strict rules to ensure compatibilty with the various tuners on the market. I predict in the not to distance future, since the four channel 6 stations that surround WNYZ-LP (WRGB Schenectady, WPVI Philly, WLNE Providence and WEDY-DT New Haven, who's likely experiencing the most effects from WNYZ) all made a pact to increase their power equally in proportion to prevent negative effects to eachother that will likely be approved by the FCC, WNYZ-LP will be forced out of channel 6 or be forced to cease their FM stereo transmissions and operate like a real low powered TV station if with an even lower power if they want to keep channel 6. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyl416 (talk) 06:03, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

There is no 4-metre radioamateur band in North America. The frequency allocations look something like:

44-50 MHz VHF TV 1 (dropped from bandplan in 1948, now land-mobile)

50-54 MHz 6-metre radioamateur band

54-60 MHz VHF TV 2

60-66 MHz VHF TV 3

66-72 MHz VHF TV 4

72-76 MHz land-mobile base stations

76-82 MHz VHF TV 5

82-88 MHz VHF TV 6

88-108 MHz FM broadcast band (87.9 is rarely used, in the US just one LPFM and one low-power FM translator exist on this frequency)

108+ MHz Aviation beacons (121.5 MHz formerly used for distress locator beacons, now deprecated) followed by aviation AM two-way voice

The next radio-amateur allocation is the two-metre band at 144-148 MHz. There is a 4-metre band in Europe but not in North America.

As for WRGB-DT? They had an FCC experimental license to transmit vertically-polarised FM audio on 87.7 but found that an 87.7 MHz cross-polarised station would interfere with the main DTV station and use of 87.9 would draw FCC objections. The experiment was abandoned. --66.102.80.212 (talk) 02:15, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Jazz

As of today they are playing a jazz format. No reference, just OR from listening to the radio (and loving it! Best reception for any jazz station in my apt, too bad it won't last after Feb 1). —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 00:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

It's Ella and Billie. I'm enjoying it while it lasts... where did the Feb 1 date come from? ... 68.198.113.241 (talk) 20:04, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place for rumors

So if you don't have a verifiable source for them, don't put them on the page! J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 20:59, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Any update? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.211.27.5 (talk) 20:21, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

could someone re-format the actual schedule list?

The current paragraphs describing the format suggest that there are three components:

a: main block, weekdays 5am - 8pm, Russian stuff

b: overnight, 8pm - 5am, Indie Darkroom

c: Sunday mornings: Hindi

However, the writing is unclear and mangled.

I'm not in a position to listen to the station and verify the schedule, otherwise I'd clean it up myself. If someone in range of the transmitter can check out the programming and update the article, I'm sure everyone would appreciate it.

(Given the shakiness of this station in the past, I'm reluctant to make the changes without direct info.)

Thanks wiki-ny-2007 (talk) 18:20, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

more techincal specs discussion

Can anyone confirm WHICH signal (analog and digital) is on which frequency? i'm pretty sure you can't have an analog signal and a digital signal on the same channel... i checked the FCC database, and they have applications to flash-cut (convert from analog to digital on the same frequency) on VHF 6, and no records of them using (or applying for) UHF 22. I do see an application for UHF 49, however. Are they using VHF 6 for analog, and UHF 22 for digital broadcasts (with 1.1 as its PSIP number)? I just feel this article is in need of a bit of clarification. RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 01:54, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

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Is it still operating?

Back around August 10th, 2016 I was in the NYC area and tuned my car radio to 87.7 FM. Didn't hear anything on that frequency.

Anyone in town who can clarify whether this station is still operational? Thanks.

wiki-ny-2007 (talk) 18:05, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Update: it's functioning

Just realized I hadn't updated my earlier comment. I tuned to the frequency a few days after my post and yes, I heard the station. Not sure what language... wiki-ny-2007 (talk) 18:44, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Update: still operating as of 20-Aug 2019

Tuned it in again. No idea what language

wiki-ny-2007 (talk) 19:37, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

WNYZ is Still on the Air,but I request help for further info.

I Checked the station on Late October 2021,and as it turns out..The Station’s still alive. Here’s some Proof. But I request some help because I don’t know any other details of the station (Like Wether or not the station still is in analog/digital mix or just digital)Danubeball (talk) 01:06, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm trying to look into FCC Data on the station. RabbitEars did mentioned that it is an ATSC 3.0 station (according here). However, I noticed that LMS says it has an Licensee to Cover application sent over and pending approval. WNYZ is not on any public files on the FCC as of now but only on the LMS. We still need to look further

- EDIT, I can confirm its now official. It has been on air since October (left an article in the refs, but its in Korean)20chances (talk) 04:55, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Should WNYZ-LP be Renamed to WNYZ-LD?

I think we should rename the article to WNYZ-LD,because it’s still Low-Powered,but it’s running on a digital Signal,and if we look at articles such as WRME-LD and WDCN-LD, All the other articles in the Surviving Franken-FMs Category switched to -LD,Should the Same go for WNYZ-LP? Danubeball (talk) 00:53, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

@Danubeball: WNYZ-LP is the call sign as listed in the FCC's LMS, which is usually behind the curve. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 01:53, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh,I see.And It wouldn’t make sense to Assume that it’ll happen in the future. Danubeball (talk) 23:06, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

I've just checked with their LMS. Their license to cover application was actually approved just 2 days ago (January 28, 2022) and its now airing as WNYZ-LD. I think its safe to change it now. (I got the rest covered BTW) 20chances (talk) 08:14, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Whoops.

I tried to turn W33BS,the Previous name for WNYZ-LP into a Redirect to WNYZ-LP,and it failed.Can Someone Fix my error? Danubeball (talk) 04:56, 30 January 2022 (UTC)  Self-trout

@Danubeball: Fixed. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 05:00, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Danubeball (talk) 05:03, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Should the Article be Upgraded to C?

I think this article could become a C-Level Article,it’s Sourced Fairly Well,but there’s still a Few things that could be worked on..but I think it’s worthy of becoming C. Danubeball (talk) 01:24, 3 February 2022 (UTC)