Talk:WWE United States Championship

Single Man Championship

Y2J- Chris Jericho is the US Champion not (Kevin Owens and Y2J) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BusriderSF2015 (talk • contribs) 04:55, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

SD/ECW

Since the belt was defended on Smackdown during the 7-2-08 tapings, it can't be called ECW "exclusive".

The belt is officially ECW property as per WWE.

No arguments there.

Just let it be known in the article that it can also be defended on SD. That's all.

• U.S. Title = ECW (shared with SD)

• WWE Tag Team Titles = SD (shared with ECW)

Either way, they're defended on both shows. But the brand that "owns" the title gets top billing.

Vjmlhds July 2, 2008 20:41 (UTC)

then champ

Why does the page mention matt hardy as then champion when he brought the belt to ecw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.131.175.181 (talk) 09:41, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

It'll be fixed shortly.^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 09:45, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Cena belt

John Cena had a version of this belt... Known as the "word Life US Championship Belt Cant we get a pic of it?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.6.239.9 (talk) 01:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Not unless someone has that and takes a picture of it!Adster95 (talk) 15:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Jeff Hardy United States Champion?

Why does it say Jeff Hardy defeated Matt Hardy at The Great American Bash? When it was Shelton Benjamin who won.

It was vandalism. It's fixed. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 02:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Current Champ

I know it's only a day, but it seems someone has spoiled tomorrow night's Smackdown results. Can someone revert until tomorrow? Pigs Might Fly Music (talk) 14:30, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

MVP not the longest US champion

On the Image of MVP it say he the longest US champ in the title history but this is not true It still belongs to Lex Luger Supermike (talk) 14:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

It says he's the longest reigning champ in WWE history. Luger is the longest in WCW history. I've reverted your edit accordingly. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 14:27, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Belt Designs

Shouldn't the article contain a section of belt designs like the WWE championship does, it should include the past WCW designs and the Cena Spinner style, please look into it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ShanRaj 10 (talk • contribs) 08:36, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

It's still missing the Cena Spinner belt design.98.209.48.133 (talk) 01:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

24.148.186.110 (talk) 16:01, 26 January 2013 (UTC)There is no picture of the WCW version of the United States Championship. The main picture shows the current, WWE version, then the past designs show the NWA version and the John Cena version. For this article to be accurate a picture of the WCW design needs to be included. Can't be that hard to find a picture to put up.

Heading Picture

The first picture you see in the article is one of those fake kid belts you can buy. You can tell when you compare that belt to the belt in the Miz's picture --Dragonslayer619 (talk) 06:05, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

What level is of championship is the wwe us championship, a secondary or a third tier title? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.73.215.80 (talk) 13:10, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Each brand he their own Primary and Secondary male singles titles and a Divisional title, currently for the Women's division.^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 15:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Altered Belt Design

I don't know how many people noticed, but the belt that R-Truth appeared with on Monday Night Raw, was a slightly different version. Much of the gold on the belt was changed to platinum. So this makes the current picture out of date as the current design. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.62.241.76 (talk) 03:23, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

WWE dates

Given that the title was defended in WWE for a short while before being unified with the Intercontinental Championship in 2001, shouldn't the "Promotion" section in the infobox read "WWF/E (2001; 2003-present)?" 67.181.76.194 (talk) 04:33, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Youngest and oldest champs

Since almost all the titles have this in their facts, who were the youngest and oldest US Champs (and what were their ages)? Jedi Striker (talk) 17:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

WWE banner reigns

I see it says John Cena holds the most reigns under the WWE banner with 4, I was wondering if someone could look into this but i think Booker T hold 4 reigns in the WWE banner too. http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/unitedstates/304454121112 (first reign), http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/unitedstates/30445411221 (second reign), http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/unitedstates/304454114121 (third reign), http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/unitedstates/3044541141211 (fourth reign).

The first reign started in WCW and finished when Booker handed the title to Chris Kanyon. I think that's why in the WWE era they would regard Booker number of reigns as three, not four. Mister Q101 (talk) 01:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Don't Vandalize the Page and Put Stupid Bullshit

Apart from messing up the info box, someone attempted to change the current champion from John Cena to "Izzy_Crazy_". Someone keeps vandalizing championship pages. They put Tamina as WWE WHC, Zack Ryder as Divas Champion, "Izzy_Crazy" as US Champ, and "Izzy_Crazy as Intercontinental Champ. I've fixed most so don't wory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:B825:6940:A0BD:98B5:153A:C91D (talk) 21:18, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Change United States title to Mex-American title

If you don't know already on WWE Smackdown October 29, Alberto Del Rio named changed the name of the WWE United States Championship to the Mex-American championship. So the question I'm asking is should the name of this article be changed to WWE Mex-American Championship or not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.214.94.65 (talk) 00:34, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

No it should not. WWE continue to call it the United States title. ADR's claim means nothing. Mega Z090 (talk) 08:19, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

That was a strange suggestion. By the same logic, we shoud merge the articles United States and Mexico into one called Mex-America because Alberto Del Rio and Zeb Coulter said that's where they are both from. 14:33, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Did the title's name change in 2001 when the WWF purchased WCW?

Some editors insist on this title having once been called "WCW United States Championship" (as opposed to "WCW United States Heavyweigh Championship") in 2001 between the WWF purchasing WCW and the (temporary) retirement of the title. Let's bring some sense into the issue.

The argument goes that the title was called "WCW United States Championship" without the word "Heavyeight" on WWF shows. That might be true (I didn't bother to check) but it is undeniably true that many, many WCW shows didn't use the word "Heavyweigh" either. WCW was just as much subject to a tendency to de-emphasize weight classes and the associated words. The textbook case for this in the WWF was the IC Title, officially called the WWF Intercontinental Heavyweight Wrestling Championship" - that was the name written on the belt during all of its existence before the renaming into WWE, notwithstanding that the word "Heavyweight" was not uttered for many many years (and the word "Wrestling" practically never).

Now, WCW's US title belt also contained the word "Heavyweight". Since the proponents of a name change in 2001 do dispute the word only for a short stint in 2001 we can focus on that time frame from March 18 (WCW purchased) to November 12 (title retired). I have been looking for evidence for whether there was any change to the title belt used. Here are some links to pictures of the relevant US champions at the time:

• Booker T: https://65.media.tumblr.com/77bdf80d8ada0a0156ac9abdbf21d846/tumblr_n724nkD1yl1rkf4k0o1_500.png
• Chris Kanyon: http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.162786!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/alg-chris-kanyon-jpg.jpg
• Tajiri: http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/wwe_16_9_xl/public/t25/image/2012/07/tajiri.jpg
• Rhyno: http://www.oocities.org/xx_raven_effect_xx/uschamp.jpg
• Kurt Angle: http://www.wwe.com/f/reign/image/2005/06/491982.jpg
• Edge: http://s479.photobucket.com/user/fishbulb-suplex/media/Wrestlers/Edge/us-edge01st-1.jpg.html

Admittedly, the pictures are of varying quality but all of them show the champions in question with the very same belt that was used in WCW. Hence, the word "Heavweight" might have been dropped from announcements and commentaries (arguably and without giving heed to WCW announcers having dropped it before) but it was not totally abandoned.

Hence, the argument of an official name change in 2001 is false. Str1977 ^(talk) 19:54, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

I don't think we should look much into the inscription on the belt, they just were reusing the old WCW title. The Big Gold Belt says "World Heavyweight Wrestling Champion" and yet none of the championships it represented were called that. I also think it's a bad idea to look too much into what commentators say, but what they've said matches the official WWE title history, that never uses "Heavyweight" in the descriptions of the post-buyout champions.LM2000 (talk) 20:12, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Just a note on the Big Gold Belt, WWE's version was pretty close, they just didn't have "Wrestling" as part of its official title. --JDC808 ♫ 21:21, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

The belt is the most solid piece of evidence avaiable, literally much more solid than fleeting words of error-prone announcers. If the belt didn't change, we must assume that the name of the title didn't change either.

Your example of the Big Gold Belt is also wrong. It was used in WWE as the second world title called "World Heavyweight Champion", which is pretty much what the inscription on the belt says. The only difference is the word "wrestling", which was practically never used for any title as it merely denoted the sport.

Apart from the fact that "official" title histories can be pretty unreliable sources with their tendency to rewrite history, I don't see how this list proves a name change. It simply lists many champions from Harley Race to Rusev. It nowhere says that Booker T was no longer "US Heavyweight Champion" and become merely "US Champion". It just uses the shorter, current name for all these champions, not just "post-buyout champions". (Obviously, I didn't read through all reigns but I flipped through some and I have either found "United States Champion" or no title name at all.

Thus, creating a dichotomy of "post-buyout champions" is already false. Even if WWF announcers never said "heavyweight" after the purchase (which is simply an unproven assertion) WCW announcers also often did not say it before the purchase. Phasing out the word "Heavyweight" was a gradual process. There's no need to invent an extra name for a mere nine months, based on little to no evidence. Str1977 ^(talk) 21:33, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm for removing this name change from this article. I think the name was probably changed but we'll need a source to confirm that.LM2000 (talk) 21:44, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

The current WWE World Championship belt has "World Heavyweight Champion" still written on it despite the different title on program graphics and ring announcements, The US Championship during the invasion was always referred to as "WCW United States Championship" in ring announcements and graphics with "Heavyweight" dropped, that itself is good enough evidence. Speedy Question Mark (talk) 20:57, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

I've changed my mind after this discussion on WT:PW. It's more likely they dropped "Heavyweight" during the Bischoff-era WCW years than it is having been carried on into the WWE years. Kanyon's profile from 2002 doesn't list it as such. I've been searching through WCW.com's archive too, that site was a mess, most mentions of the championship are simply called "U.S. Championship", Sting's profile calls it U.S. strap. WCW was such a mess at the time they probably didn't even know what the name of the belt was.LM2000 (talk) 08:33, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Speedy, that's not good evidence at all but rather circular reasoning. The evidence for this supposed renaming of the WWE World (Heavyweight) Championship is very slight as well. (And while the belt remains the same, they have at least changed the graphic. Anything of the kind for the US title in 2001? I'm waiting.) That commentators never said "Heavyweight" (if that was the case, which no one here has ever bothered to prove) is still beside the point as WCW announcers often left it out as well.

LM2000, we have been through this before. None of these profiles call it "US Heavweight Championship" so the fact that Kanyon's doesn't - I said as much above - doesn't tell us anything but that WWE now likes to leave out the word in accordance with current usage. If WCW was that confused, we will have to stick to the one solid piece of evidence, the title belt itself.

WP edits have to be based on evidence, not on things being "more likely".

And what's actually the point of inventing a new name for a few months? Str1977 ^(talk) 19:48, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

I've spent more time looking into this than I should have. The sources are conflicting at best so I've done here what you did at another article with this edit. Hopefully this can be a happy medium and we can move on.LM2000 (talk) 21:40, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Perfect. That always has been my preferred solution given the blurred lines with the names. What I always objected to most was this (supposedl) clear-cut presentation of a title being called X until a certain date and then immediately afterwards being called Y. Str1977 ^(talk) 05:22, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Championship is not vacant (As of Dec. 20th 2017)

I've put Dolph Ziggler back in as current champion, as someone had listed the title as vacant. Despite dropping the belt in the ring and walking away, WWE.com still lists him as the current Champion. Please wait until you hear anything from WWE regarding the status of the title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.237.180.75 (talk) 23:15, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

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