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Cast breakdown

Latest comment: 3 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Breakdown of each episode's main on-end billing, plus cast list. Actors in bold indicate the first appearance of the character, with the episodes they appear in after.

- Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:22, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Episodes runtime

Latest comment: 3 years ago6 comments5 people in discussion

I was seeing that they were including the runtime for each episode. However I would like to correct them because they include the additional credits for the dubbing and foreign production. For example it is said they the first episode runtime is 30 minutes, however without the dubbing credits, the real runtime would be 26 minutes. If we come to an agreement I would ensure to correct not only this article, but also the other Marvel tv series like The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and Loki (TV series) Ulises1126 (talk) 01:35, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Runtime includes opening and end credits FYI. — YoungForever(talk) 02:38, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
It always does. —El Millo (talk) 04:50, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm not talking about the opening or ending credits of the the episodes. Watch the first episode at 26 minutes on Disney+ and you'll see what credits I'm talking about. To show you that I'm not lying here is when I found out. The first episode with the episode credits it’s only 26 minutes long. Check it out: https://www1.soap2day.video/series/wandavision-3poyy/oo98pky Ulises1126 (talk) 05:56, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
The episode runtime is the full length of time that it runs on Disney+ from being turned on till it actually ends. That includes the credits that you are talking about. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:06, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
Yup, episodes are how they are released (though oddly I've noticed between where you view it on Disney+, that number can differentiate by a minute or so). Anyways, we can't say "let's not include X", because that would then no longer make this easily verifiable and require editors and readers to try and figure out what is happening with the "math". Keep it simple. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:33, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Ready for GA?

Latest comment: 3 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Adamstom.97 what are you thinking about this and some or all of the episode articles? I don't know if I'll be able to get another c/e in myself for this article, but I'm not against how the article currently stands and feel any absolutely glaring issues will hopefully be brought up by the GA reviewer. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 01:44, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

I am feeling pretty good about all of the episode articles, and am just doing some work on the reception section for this article at the moment. If you are happy not to look over everything first then I might set up the noms once I've done this last pass. Agree that any glaring issues should get picked up then, but I've been over all of the articles quite a few times now. - adamstom97 (talk) 01:50, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
This is done now. I added a little bit more analysis info, but we are still at 72kb of readable prose so I think we can be happy with that. I'll be bold and nominate the articles now. Let me know if there are any concerns with this. - adamstom97 (talk) 03:42, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Nope, fine with me! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 14:41, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Awards split

Latest comment: 3 years ago17 comments6 people in discussion

Hey everyone, I've noticed that this article is quite lengthy (~73 kB prose size), putting it into the range where a split might be warranted. I think the awards list in particular can be moved out; it currently takes up three and a half "screens" of height on my monitor, and I suspect there will be some end-of-year awards that expand the list further. (It's also worth noting that the prose size doesn't take tables into account, so the list makes the article even longer than it first appears.) Therefore, I am proposing a split of that section to List of awards and nominations received by WandaVision. Thoughts? RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:09, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

I hadn't considered this when we started talking about trying to reduce the article size because it isn't yet at the size that I feel like other awards tables are when they get split off, and because it won't help with the readable prose size (it will actually increase it a little when we replace the table with a short prose summary). But, it would help with the general page size that is not reflected in the readable page size, and I agree that there will likely be more awards to add over the coming months, so I'm not against it. Interested to hear what others think. - adamstom97 (talk) 04:54, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
RunningTiger123, wouldn't be opposed to it. I think the only major industry award left would be SAG + guilds it didn't qualify for during its initial run back in the beginning of the year, which'll happen January-ish. The page is definitely fairly long and the table would only help with actual length rather than prose size, but I'm not opposed. QueerFilmNerdtalk 06:22, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
The guild awards are exactly what I was thinking about – there are a few guilds that seem quite likely to nominate the show (VFX, art direction, costumes, etc.). I also wouldn't be surprised if a few more popular awards come up, particularly the People's Choice Awards. RunningTiger123 (talk) 16:03, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
I have the same feelings as Adamstom.97 that it will help with page length, but not actual prose size. Facu-el Millo as one of the editors working more on that table, what are your thoughts? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 13:18, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
I was going to say the table is not large enough for a split yet, but checking both List of accolades received by Avengers: Endgame and List of accolades received by The Avengers (2012 film), they seem to be about as long as this table, so it would be fine to split it as it currently is. One correction is that it should be at List of accolades received by WandaVision, to be consistent with the aforementioned lists and List of accolades received by Black Panther (film). —El Millo (talk) 17:09, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
I would argue it should be "awards and nominations" instead of "accolades"; the former seems to be the norm for TV shows, while the latter is used for films. RunningTiger123 (talk) 19:34, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
But within the MCU set of articles, there should be consistency amongst the titles if possible, and in this case, it can be. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:20, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
I agree that we should be consistent with the other MCU articles, and this isn't the first time where we have walked the line a little bit in terms of following film vs. TV standards because of the way Marvel Studios made this like a long film. @Some Dude From North Carolina: having just reviewed the article for GA, do you have any thoughts on us splitting out the awards table to its own list? - adamstom97 (talk) 10:23, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
I would support a move since the article is a bit long. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 11:29, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

There seems to be consensus for this split, so I have gone ahead and made the new list at List of accolades received by WandaVision based on the formatting for the other MCU accolades lists. - adamstom97 (talk) 10:44, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Are there any awards that can be removed from the prose here and included in added "among others" text? I feel some are definitely more minor that aren't worth mentioning here while we now have the split article. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 14:11, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
We hadn't discussed that yet so I just put all of them in for now. I couldn't remember what criteria we used to determine that at other articles. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:00, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
For the prose, I think Emmys should be the main focus, since those are the biggest awards in American television. (That part will probably be easier to write once the Emmys happen.) Past that, it's probably a matter of consensus, but I would generally emphasize guilds/professional orgs (i.e., the DGA and IFTA awards) and critics' awards (Dorian, HCA, TCA) over others. Major popular awards (i.e., the MTV awards) probably also deserve a mention. RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:15, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
Are we happy with this? WandaVision was nominated for eight Primetime Emmy Awards and fifteen Primetime Creative Arts Emmy Awards, as well as one Directors Guild of America Award, seven Hollywood Critics Association TV Awards (winning two), one Irish Film & Television Award, six MTV Movie & TV Awards (winning four), and four TCA Awards, among others. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:29, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
I think that's good for now. If it wins any Emmys, we can probably specify those later. RunningTiger123 (talk) 22:02, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
  Done - adamstom97 (talk) 22:12, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Accolades

Latest comment: 3 years ago37 comments4 people in discussion

Hi, WandaVision won an award at the "Clio Awards" and two awards at the "Sec Awards", could someone please add them? --Jeremy0818 (talk) 06:03, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

As the Sec Awards do not have their own Wikipedia article, they aren't considered notable for inclusion. do you have a source for the Clio Award WandaVision won? I didn't find anything. —El Millo (talk) 06:16, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
Too bad that the "Sec Awrds" are not taken into account, this is the source of the "Clio Award" (https://clios.com/music/winner/93473) --Jeremy0818 (talk) 06:20, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
  Done —El Millo (talk) 06:45, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
Hello me again, today the Irish Film & Television Awards were held and Jim O'Hagan and Ed Bruce were nominated by WandaVision in the VFX category, they did not win, so someone could add your nomination please.--Jeremy0818 (talk) 02:12, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
  Done —El Millo (talk) 02:56, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Wandavision has 5 Dorian Awards nominations. The nominations are credited on IMDB and the Dorian Awards itself has a wikipedia page. I hope someone add them. (https://deadline.com/2021/06/pose-wandavision-galeca-lgbtq-critics-dorian-tv-award-nominations-1234777545/) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CocoBrei835 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

  Done —El Millo (talk) 20:00, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello again, I have seen that they added several nominations with the result of "pending" so I wanted to say that WandaVision has 4 nominations in the Gold Derby Awards and in the Golden Trailer Awards, just in case someone wants to add them.
-(https://www.goldderby.com/feature/2021-gold-derby-tv-awards-nominations-list-1204332987/)
-(https://goldentrailer.com/gta21-nominees/) --Jeremy0818 (talk) 22:47, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

I forgot, it also has a nomination in the MTV Millennial Awards under the category Killer TV Series --Jeremy0818 (talk) 22:55, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
  Done and   Done. —El Millo (talk) 23:25, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, WandaVision won at the MTV Millennial Awards, could someone change it from pending to winner please? --Jeremy0818 (talk) 16:51, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

If someone might need the reference, here. (https://trome.pe/celebrities/mtv-en-vivo-miaw-2021-fecha-horario-cuando-es-como-votar-por-artistas-nominado-lista-de-categorias-mtv-millenial-awards-ver-online-transmision-resultados-en-directo-danna-paola-rauw-alejandro-mexico-noticia/) --CocoBrei835 (talk) 05:26, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
  Done —El Millo (talk) 05:42, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, today the TCA Awards nominations came out and WandaVision got four (https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/2021-tca-awards-nominations-list-ted-lasso-wandavision-1235020447/) --Jeremy0818 (talk) 19:41, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

  Added —El Millo (talk) 20:01, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Could you add that WandaVision was nominated in the Best Adaptation from Comic Book / Graphic Novel category at the Harvey Awards, Loki's series was also nominated in the same category if you like to add it, Thank you very much. (https://www.comicsbeat.com/2021-harvey-awards-nominees-revealed-and-voting-is-now-open/) --Jeremy0818 (talk) 01:41, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

  Done —El Millo (talk) 02:32, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Actress Teyonah Parris has a nomination at the Black Reel TV Awards, and WandaVision has two nominations at the International Online Cinema Awards (The International Online Cinema Awards do not have a wiki page but I have seen that sometimes they are added as in Fifty Shades Darker (film), mother!, List of awards and nominations received by Anya Taylor-Joy and many more). The Falcon and The Winter Soldier series also has nominations at the Black Reel TV Awards and the International Online Cinema Awards, Thank you so much.
-(https://m.imdb.com/event/ev0004817/2021/1)
-(https://www.imdb.com/event/ev0003084/2021/1?ref_=ttawd_ev_6) --Jeremy0818 (talk) 23:18, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

  Added Black Reel Awards. The International Online Cinema Awards don't have an article and I haven't found they've been reported by main outlets, so it is not notable for inclusion. —El Millo (talk) 00:07, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Since it keeps changing, can we please settle on one order for the accolades table? I feel it should be by date of ceremony, then in the sourced category order, then alphabetically by nominee (though by episode if there is one is also fine). - adamstom97 (talk) 23:51, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

If you are referring to the order of the Emmys, I initially put it in the order in which it was in the official file that's used as a reference. Someone else came and reordered it, apparently on perceived "relevance" for them. —El Millo (talk) 23:55, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
I am referring to the order changing in general, but I haven't been checking all the diffs and just saw the back-and-forth in edit summaries. Just wanted to make sure the order we are using makes sense. - adamstom97 (talk) 00:00, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
I wouldn't make any further edits to change the Emmy order as it is now. Regarding the order in general, we should stick to ceremony date, until most or almost all awards have been given, then we'll change to alphabetical order by Award name as we commonly do. —El Millo (talk) 00:05, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

WandaVision won The ReFrame Stamp -(https://deadline.com/2021/07/reframe-tv-stamp-recipients-wandavision-bridgerton-lovecraft-country-pose-1234796290/) --Jeremy0818 (talk) 06:15, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

I have added this in prose at the top of the section since it isn't really an award to be won like those in the table. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:11, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, the winners of the Golden Trailer Awards have already been announced, someone could change it please. -(https://goldentrailer.com/gta21-winners/) --Jeremy0818 (talk) 05:18, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

  Done —El Millo (talk) 06:10, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi, WandaVision and Loki are nominated in the BreakTudo Awards, someone add them please? -(https://www.breaktudoawards.com/aqui-estao-os-indicados-do-breaktudo-awards-2021/) --Jeremy0818 (talk) 02:41, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

The award's article is currently nominated for deletion, so it's best to wait until that's finished. —El Millo (talk) 03:18, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
The nomination for deletion has been closed as delete, so we won't be adding it. —El Millo (talk) 07:39, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, the Gold Derby Awards have already announced their date for August 18, and also Christophe Beck and Natalie Holt are nominated in the World Soundtrack Awards for WandaVision and Loki, in case anyone likes to add them, Thank you very much. -(https://www.goldderby.com/article/2021/gold-derby-tv-awards-winners-voting-deadline/) -(https://www.worldsoundtrackawards.com/news/discover-the-first-nominees-for-the-21st-world-soundtrack-awards) --Jeremy0818 (talk) 17:57, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

  Done. —El Millo (talk) 18:16, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, WandaVision received a nomination at the TV Choice Awards in the Best Family Drama category. -(https://www.bauermedia.co.uk/newsroom/press-releases/tv-choice-awards-2021-shortlist-nominations-announced) --Jeremy0818 (talk) 18:15, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

  Done —El Millo (talk) 19:18, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi, WandaVision and The Falcon and the Winter soldier recived nominations at the Online Film & Television Association Awards, could these awards be added? The Daredevil series does have them credited. -(http://www.oftaawards.com/television-awards/25th-annual-tv-awards-2020-21/) --Jeremy0818 (talk) 03:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

These awards seem not to pass the threshold for notability, as they do not have a Wikipedia article of their own. —El Millo (talk) 17:24, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Edit War Prevention: Evan Peters role as Ralph Bohner vs "Pietro Maximoff"

Latest comment: 2 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion

@Lashana Lynch: There was a discussion about writing Evan Peters' role in the cast list (see here). For one thing, Ralph Bohner is an existing actual character in the Marvel Cinematic Universe world, hence the format of Peters' role in the cast list. The character's description already laid out him posing as "Pietro Maximoff" so no need to change Peters' main role into that and just keep Ralph Bohner as it is.

To avoid an edit war, kindly refrain from making changes without discussing it here. Thank you for your understanding. Centcom08 (talk) 22:58, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

@Centcom08: How do I discuss it here? The name Ralph Bohner was only used once, and he primarily portrayed him as "Pietro" under Agatha's control, really portraying Agatha speaking through him if anything. It makes more sense to say "Pietro Maximoff" up-top then mention his real name immediately below, the next sentence. Lashana Lynch (talk) 23:02, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
To answer your question, kindly wait for other editors to respond to have a WP:CONSENSUS. Despite his name being only mentioned once, the writing of events in the fiction world (i.e. MCU world) remains that the actual character's existence is a resident of West View named Ralph Bohner. If the character returns in future installments then he will return as Ralph Bohner and not "Pietro Maximoff". Here are the sources that confirms Evan Peters' role is actually Ralph Bohner only posing as "Pietro Maximoff", which is already beautifully laid-out in the character description: 1, 2. Centcom08 (talk) 23:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
It's too confusing to have his credits swapped around from every other Westview resident in the list. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:23, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
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