Talk:Warren Ellis

Web presence

Somebody who knows what they're doing more than I do might wanna put something up on his massive web-presence.

Trench 19:27, 26 September 2005 (UTC) Warren has just posted a roundup of his current web projects. http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=1254

Armstrong

What does Neil Armstrong have to do with anything in this article? --168.122.229.59 21:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I moved it to trivia Dyslexic agnostic 22:14, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Writings about Ellis

This section seems intersting but completely vague and un-encyclopaedic. I'm in no position to improve it, but I'd like to see it devloped with citations, quotes, etc, if a more capable person could see their way to having a go?

e.g. "Much has been written about Ellis' work by other writers" - what has been writen?
"The tone and subject matter of his work has changed since his early stories." - How has it changed?
"Ellis' work has also been the focus of a number of academic articles and dissertations." - Which ones, where?
tmimh 19:59, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

-- This is not a helpful section.

Probably should be deleted. Poor quality.

Deleting this section -- 21 Nov 06.

Warren Ellis Holy Slut Army

This deserves a write-up as well.

Interviews

I clicked on the link to the interview on wotmania.com and it lead to a strange discussion that appears to have nothing to do with Warren Ellis. Wotmania.com is a site devoted to the Wheel of Time fantasy book series which, as far as I know, Warren Ellis has nothing to do with. So I doubt they would be interviewing him anyway. Does anyone know why this is here?

-- Nobody has responded to this question so I went ahead and deleted the interview link. -- jdvelasc 21:35, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

Adding a bit of very minor trivia... Warren was a friend of Richard Easter, who went on to write for Steve Wright, Chris Tarrant, etc. Funny, how people fall into the same kind of careers QuiteUnusual 21:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Links

I think this link was an interesting inclusion and ought not to be removed, but perhaps it can be worked into the article to make it worth including? Scans and details of pre-professional work I didn't add it myself because although I didn't see anything making it something to be avoided, it could maybe fit into copyright infringement or something else I didn't think of. Jseipel 23:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Nick Cave?

I note that Nick Cave's new band has a bass player called Warren Ellis - is this the same person? BTW I remember Warren from when he used to run the comic shop at the top of the Hammerson Development shopping centre in Southend on Sea many years ago! quercus robur 12:43, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, just looked at the top of the page, obviously it isn't the same person, though it wouldn't have surprised me if it was! quercus robur 12:46, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Birthday

I can understand why the birthday info's been removed, but Ellis seems quite happy to share his birthday with the internet each year, so we wouldn't be including anything that's not already widely known. --Mrph 07:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I have undone the b-day edit. The cited b-day privacy article is not applicable to celebrities, which is stated in the article itself. Plus, it's kind of funny, because the summary right below the deleted b-day has his b-day there as well, yet that was not removed. So it was still in the article. Whoever the remover was, was not too thorough.–m.f ^{(t • c)} 15:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

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Spelling problem

Ellis from his mailing list, bad signal:

"Wikipedia also continues to spell my name wrong, so, you know, please stop using it like it's a bastion of truth, or, indeed, fucking anything."

Sadly, he fails to disclose his specific concern. He spells his name, "WARREN ELLIS", and the only divergence I see from that is the use of the middle name, "Girade". Do we have a source for the middle name and its spelling that I can go verify? Is there some misspelling of Warren Ellis in this article that I'm missing? -Harmil 00:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Must be his middle name. Googling "Girade" [1] gives this this page and a bunch of Final Fantasy XI pages. I'd say remove it and if anyone wants to pit it back in they can source it. (Emperor 00:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC))

And he followed up when I asked further:

Me: Is [your] middle name not "Girade?"

Ellis: Correct.

I've removed the middle name. If we get a source for his real middle name and spelling thereof, let's go ahead and update the article (put the ref on the infobox birth name, please, not the lead paragraph). -Harmil 00:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Good work. (Emperor 01:07, 3 September 2007 (UTC))

According to the England & Wales Birth Index, his middle name is GIRARD. Adding this to the main page. Shadow Fading (talk) 00:00, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

"Transhumanist" genre?

'Transhumanism' (or 'extropianism') is far from being a neutral term standing in for science-fiction speculation and concern over technological advances, and it refers in fact pretty much exclusively to a certain understanding of technological advancement as seen through the eyes of self-described 'transhumanist' (or 'extropian') organisations, movements and authors. And, as far as I know, it is not a literary genre.

The three instances where these terms are used in this article (intro, author's box and about At the zoo) appears to me highly suspect, and barring a reliable source of Ellis explicitly referring to his science-fiction works as 'transhumanist' or 'extropian', I would advise in choosing a less loaded vocabulary. After all, I don't see Egan or Sterling's genre or themes described as specifically 'transhumanist', and they certainly match Ellis' speculative forays into the near- or far future.

I will await some days for response to my concern (I will try and contact Ellis for a confirmation), after which time I will proceed in rewording those passages. --Perpmobile (talk) 01:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Agree. He's just not a transhumanist. Contacting him serves no purpose either. I can say I'm a duck, but it doesn't make me one.

It's misleading as this term denotes a rather specific movement/philosophy. Ellis can say whatever he wants, that doesn't make him one. Nor is he noted as a "transhumanist" by anyone I'm aware of, nor is he the brilliant visionary thinker the article makes him out to be, nor has he made any significant contributions to thoughts in any field other than his own. Let's not kid ourselves, he's a fairly good comics writer, not a polymath

Also, whoever wrote the article doesn't even vaguely know what transhumanism is. You may arguably say that Transmetropolitan was related to the cyberpunk subgenre. Still, it's hardly transhumanist (really even on a vague thematic level- is the picture we get of technology a glowing future? Is better living achieved for everyone through tech? Is death overcome and life recast as data?) and that's the only thing he wrote that I can think of that's in the ballpark.

Please at least read introductory literature on transhumanism so you can understand its basic concepts before mislabelling someone as such. see: Pro- FM2030 "Are you a transhuman?" Contra: Ratzinger - "Communion and Stewardship", Fukuyama, "Our Post-human Future" Guinness4life (talk) 04:46, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

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Personal Life

So, I came here looking to find out whether Ellis is married or divorced, etc. I found nothing about his personal life. Can we work on that? I mean, I know his Twitter only ever lists when he's working on a project or drinking, but there simply has to be more to his life than that. 68.102.228.96 (talk) 03:25, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

He regularly puts out a lot more then that; it shows up on my LiveJournal feeds. Does he have an archive you can search? Lots42 (talk) 08:33, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Castlevania Dracula's Curse project halted?

The production blog is a dead link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.136.133 (talk) 23:39, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

dead link in references - a suggestion

The ephemeral nature of the internet is bound to land dead links in the reference lists of articles, but sometimes they can be "rescued" via the wonderful Internet Archive. I was able to find the source for the second reference (now dead) in the Warren Ellis article at archive.org however due to the way the references list works I was unable work out how to add this info. Maybe I'm missing something obvious... Miriam e (talk) 10:21, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

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castlevania series

Not a feature film, but an animated series. http://www.techspot.com/news/68093-netflix-has-animated-castlevania-series-works.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Majinsnake (talk • contribs) 20:07, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

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Politics

Ellis' politics are hard left. In Planetary #7, he severely libels Mrs Thatcher, making up nasty stuff. In Planetary #8, he tells us the evil Americans were the guilty party in the Cold War and not the innocent Russians. Even if you remove this, the comics and the truth are still there for all to see.(61.90.111.191 (talk) 02:15, 7 March 2017 (UTC))

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Source an accusations and response

Here's a reliable source on the current matters. --Nat Gertler (talk) 05:38, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Please lock this page, as we do not know the full history of all those involved, and as we have seen in the past cancel culture will take a life of its own and destroy anyone without any sense of due process.

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/warren-ellis-accused-of-grooming-young-women-for-decades/

"However, it is notable that some of those voices have stated that they don't want Ellis to be 'cancelled' and still feel warmly towards him; they just don't want others to be similarly targeted. Ellis has also been defended by female voices who state that these complaints are without merit."

Within the article above, several individuals already stated that not to cancel this individual, and all it will take is for someone to write a vague response and then that person is done. Please don't let Wikipedia become liable because people have their own agenda.

Lock this site. Please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14C:4281:2300:3513:9EBE:7480:6375 (talk) 16:19, 19 June 2020 (UTC) — 2601:14C:4281:2300:3513:9EBE:7480:6375 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

I don't think that's reliable source for this kind of accusation if you think it is and want to include it I recommend consulting the biographies of living persons noticeboard to see whether or not they think it's appropriate. Polyquest (talk)

Additional sources.[2][3][4] -Jason A. Quest (talk) 17:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

A hundred bad sources don't have the weight of one good source and none of those are exactly high quality. I don't know, maybe the Gulf News source is good enough, I'm really not sure though as there is usually a high bar when including these kinds of allegations in biographies of living people. If you want to include it I'd recommend checking with the noticeboard and finding out what they think. Polyquest (talk) 17:37, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

How about The Hollywood Reporter?[5]

Probably makes sense to take this to the BLP noticeboard. Dbrodbeck (talk) 20:48, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Doesn't seem that that should be necessary - Ellis making a public statement that gets covered by the likes of the Hollywood Reporter, in which he admits to hurting people, should be enough to make it high enough visibility to support inclusion. As these are statements of bad behavior rather than crime, WP:BLPCRIME is not a factor. --Nat Gertler (talk) 21:13, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Then submit it to the noticeboard and confirm your interpretation. They don't bite. With the article just published in The Hollywood Reporter they might even agree. Polyquest (talk) 21:25, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

WP:BLPN is generally used by folks like you who are trying to keep the information out rather than those trying to put it in. --Nat Gertler (talk) 21:36, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough. I just submitted it to the board. Polyquest (talk) 21:45, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I believe there is enough coverage by reliable sources that cover this industry to acknowledge the allegations and his response. Morbidthoughts (talk) 23:26, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

That's my take as well. Dbrodbeck (talk) 23:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I was the individual who stated that the article should be locked. if you see the link below there is a real anger amount people, and for some it is a long time coming. However, why I said to lock this site, for now, is because if you see the response below many feel that the apology was not enough. That is where I get concerned because it seems that someone says I am sorry others will take it at face value but the mob will not and it can take years for people to think clearly. My concern is that Wikipedia has s responsibility to not let a few works slander a person. If you see articles in the daily beast, they have become sooo tunnel-visioned that it doesn't matter if the person is innocent or not they are guilty. With the current status of BLM going on, shouldn't we give people some time and stop keep-jerk reactions. Because this is how cancel culture spreads like wildfire.

https://www.themarysue.com/warren-ellis-statement-sexual-misconduct-accusations/

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You seem to be asking that Wikipedia try to keep this quiet, but that ship has already sailed. And that's all the more reason why Wikipedia should include this information. If someone sees a biased tirade against Ellis in one place, or a biased tirade against his accusers in another, they should be able to come to Wikipedia, and at least see the verified facts of the matter, neutrally presented. Those facts include: a substantial number of women are saying things about his treatment of them, and he has responded to this with a statement. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 00:59, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

There appears to be appropriate sourcing to include. I would ignore the SPA. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 02:45, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

I've restored the information, along with bits from Ellis' response, and a cancellation by DC. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 18:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

I would never tell anyone to look the other way, my response has been that by posting something, and saying allegedly makes all readers think he is guilty. Within the MarySue article one of the main indivdiduals has stated that she doesn't want him to be cancelled. However, as you know in our new normal, if someone says something they are automatically tried and executed by social media. Case in point if you see some the articles by the daily beast, the writers have given a bias reporting. I would only like for sometime to pass and let the facts be reported. If you see what happened to Dr. Neil degrasse Tyson, everyone assumed he was guilty and he was done. Even now, after he was cleared of any wrong doing, people assume that others looked the other way. My only request is to give someone the benefit of doubt and let the process continue. The Wikipedia has always been one area that values facts. However, when somone is cleared, many of the reports of them are still left up. And the damage is done. Seanjohn18887Seanjohn18887 (talk) 08:03, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

2021

Perhaps the most unfortunate thing to happen in the last ten years is the wholehearted embrace of victim culture. Nothing in these allegations rises to the level of criminality and I have to wonder how many people out there in the world don't have people they've been intimate with who are unhappy and vindictive. Further, there appears to be a growing consensus that just because of gender you are not responsible for your behavior. Last time I checked, the idea of gender equality meant that people were responsible for their actions and the ramifications of decisions good or bad is something that they themselves bear responsibility for. The incredible irony here is that Ellis has been a champion throughout his career for inclusiveness and the very people who are part of groups he's tried to bring into the mainstream are now out there with pitchforks and torches. I went out with someone, we had a shitty breakup, I was in another relationship and now because there is an internet she and all the other exes who latched onto me trying to trade their own good looks to piggyback on my fame lacked the talent to make it payoff - wow! Let me run crying to other idiots who buy into the whole victim ideology. This is gossip, salacious and being used to destroy someone's career so some never as can get their renewed moment of fame. That Wikipedia plays into this stupidity lessens it as an authoritative source on anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.233.44 (talk) 21:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Please review WP:PUBLICFIGURE: If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article—even if it is negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it. [...] Example: A politician is alleged to have had an affair. It is denied, but multiple major newspapers publish the allegations, and there is a public scandal. The allegation belongs in the biography, citing those sources. However, it should state only that the politician was alleged to have had the affair, not that the affair actually occurred. Regardless of the truth of the allegations, it was reported on by multiple reliable sources (such as The Guardian, The Daily Beast & The Hollywood Reporter) & Ellis was removed from projects (DC Comics, Castlevania) as a result. The article section in question says people accused him, it has direct quotes in response to the allegations from Ellis, and then it highlights the professional fall out. It does not go into salacious details. Sariel Xilo (talk) 23:11, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

What it is is gossip. Unsubstantiated allegations that make glorious fodder for vicarious thrills of morons and give five minutes of fame to people who tried to cash in on someone else’s talent. Maybe we can brand him with an "A" as in the Scarlet Letter. Again, there is nothing but accusations by people... it literally is a he said, she said but in the context the women in question don’t have anything to lose because they’re ‘victims’ even though they were of age and consent. Gossip is not what Wikipedia should be about but obviously that goes over your head. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.233.44 (talk) 03:26, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

To restate the previous response: Please review WP:PUBLICFIGURE: If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article—even if it is negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it. [...] Example: A politician is alleged to have had an affair. It is denied, but multiple major newspapers publish the allegations, and there is a public scandal. The allegation belongs in the biography, citing those sources. However, it should state only that the politician was alleged to have had the affair, not that the affair actually occurred. Multiple media sources do not report on allegations that are entirely unsubstantiated (they have legal departments that advise them against doing so), and events that happen as a consequence of allegations are a matter of fact. It is only right that the article covers this part of Ellis's career, in a neutral, facts-only manner. Before objecting further, perhaps consider the case of Roscoe Arbuckle, to take a historically famous example H. Carver (talk) 02:20, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Notable works

The list of "notable works" in the infobox is a bit overmuch. This item isn't intended to be exhaustive... it's supposed to include a few examples, so the reader can recognize them and go "Oh, he's THAT writer!" Transmet and Authority are obviously in: the former is arguably his magnum opus, and the latter had a big impact on the superhero genre. I'm not sure any of his work-for-hire runs qualify, except the Iron Man story that was used for the 3rd movie. Likewise Red, for being the basis of two movies. Some of the others were famous for 15 minutes or meant to be the next big thing, but their notability hasn't aged as well. Nominations? Thoughts? -Jason A. Quest (talk) 15:46, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. Trimming this down to Transmetropolitan, The Authority, Planetary would be sufficient -- GimmeChoco44 (talk) 10:47, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

new video game work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLNwSZiwoqs creative consultant, can someone please add 2600:1700:96F1:550:3D44:BCB8:C82E:B582 (talk) 13:13, 10 September 2023 (UTC)