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Cambial Yellowing has been repeatedly trying to insert the phrase "convicted pedophile" or "convicted sexual offender" into the lead sentence [1]. This is redundant to the next sentence, which says he is serving a life sentence for child sexual assault. – notwally (talk) 23:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
It's standard practice to state in plain terms what the article subject is and is notable for being. The phrase "convicted pedophile" is supported by a wide variety of mainstream news organisations, though probably not used quite as widely as "child sex offender" or "convicted sex offender". You are repeatedly trying to change from a stable wording (previously "and convicted felon") first changed a couple of weeks ago. I've reworded to accommodate your claimed concern about being "technically correct", despite the multiple sources directly supporting the other phrasing. Please stop the blanket reversion. Cambial — foliar❧23:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
It is not standard practice to use those types of descriptions, and your response does not address my concerns of redundancy at all. Saying that he is a "convicted sex offender" or "convicted felon" and then immediately following that with a more detailed (and usefuL) explanation of what exactly that means is redundant and causes the wording to be clunky. Your claim that "convicted sex offender" was stable wording is also not true. Please see my most recent edit to address your apparent concern of having the lead sentence focus on his sex crimes. If that does not address your concern, it would be helpful if you would try to explain your position. – notwally (talk) 02:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
For more context, the content was changed to include "and felon" to say "an American cult religious leader and felon, convicted of several sex crimes and two assisted sex crimes involving children" by an IP on December 31 [2] before it was changed by Ashmoo on June 4 [3] to the format opposed by Cambial Yellowing [4]. – notwally (talk) 02:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I’m not tied to any particular wording; your new version which states the facts upfront seems fine for now: I made one small edit. I’ll try to gather wider community input about using the noun “child sex offender”. Cambial — foliar❧07:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
