Talk:Wartime cross-dressers

Jeanette and Jasmine Ortiz

I can't believe that went for a month without being found out it was fake!

A friend of mine wrote that. She told me not to remove it, but I had to. Wikipedia's supposed to be accurate. I was waiting to see if someone would realize it was fake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.9.7.120 (talk) 21:20, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Usually I monitor this page for changes, but I've been really sick lately. Sorry I missed it. Anyway, please see Wikipedia:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point. Thank you. Asarelah (talk) 16:26, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

concealment

that this article is only for individuals who sought to '"'conceal" their gender is not supoorted by lead which states: Many people have engaged in crossdressing during wartime under various circumstances and for various motives, and the is already an entry lady jeanne. --emerson7 21:34, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Well that needs to be changed, as I created the Female Wartime Crossdressers category purely for females who concealed their gender, not just ones who wore men's clothes. I really thought this was meant to be an article just for that category, seeing as its the only category its in. Asarelah (talk) 01:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

edit problem

In the paragraph about the 18th century there are several 'edit' marks where they do not belong. I am not able to correct this. Perhaps someone can do it? Anne-theater (talk) 01:46, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

That is caused by the layout of the images and is a Wikipedia software bug. We can't fix that.  Sandstein  07:08, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Charles II?::

If Bonnie Prince Charlie is to be included for dressing as a woman during his escape, surely his fellow Stewart, Charles II of England, should also be included in the list. I understand he dressed as woman during his escape from England in 1640's. (79.190.69.142 (talk) 09:37, 14 November 2011 (UTC))

Joan of Arc

Why is Joan of Arc on the list? She should be removed from the list. She never concealed her gender. Boneyard90 (talk) 18:13, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Cross-dressing isn't about concealing one's gender, it's about wearing the clothes associated with the other gender.  Sandstein  18:45, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

If it's not about re-defining your identity in terms of the opposite gender, then how do you define the clothing strictly associated with one gender? By that logic, we can list every Roman who wore a tunic and every Scotsman whoever wore a kilt, because by some people's definition, they are dressed in women's clothing. Or you can list ALL modern female soldiers, because they are wearing trousers, which in many cultures and to many people, trousers are the traditional clothing of men. Boneyard90 (talk) 18:49, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, the article Cross-dressing defines the act as "wearing clothing and other accoutrements commonly associated with the opposite sex within a particular society", emphasis mine. Because in Roman and Scottish societies tunics and kilts were not associated with women, these soldiers weren't crossdressers. And in modern times, pants aren't exclusively associated with men any more, so modern women soldiers aren't crossdressing either.  Sandstein  19:01, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, ok, you may have a point, but according to the comment above, User:Asrelah states the list was created "purely for females who concealed their gender". Listing Joan of Arc seems to be going against the spirit or intent of the article. Perhaps we need to change the title of the article to something more accurate, but undoubtedly more cumbersome. Because if I am looking for articles on people like Deborah Sampson, then listings similar to Joan of Arc seem misleading, or time-consuming if I have to check each article and find if it's what I'm looking for. Boneyard90 (talk) 19:29, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Deborah Sampson

I changed the phrasing of one sentence, where it said that Sampson has "disguised herself as a soldier". She didn't "disguise herself as a soldier"; she WAS a soldier. She enlisted properly and later was deemed eligible for and collected a pension and her husband was the first man to collect a survivor's pension. I changed this phrase to "She disguised herself as a man to enlist as an infantry soldier", which more accurately and respectfully describes her role. Tracy58 (talk) 00:11, 4 March 2013 (UTC)Tracy58

"Historical"

I have some issues with that section title, given that it includes two Trojan War examples and Hua Mulan. While it seems likely that all three were inspired from some real incidents, it seems dubious to put Achilles and Hua Mulan (largely mythological characters) on par with real, documented examples.

Put another way: the same sources you would use for Achilles cross-dressing will tell you he was almost invincible because of Styx-diving, so they are not RS for what happened during the Trojan War. There are sources for what the legends are, but stuff like Achilles was a Greek hero in the Trojan War. (...) His mother, Thetis, hid him in woman's clothing to prevent him from being taken to war. might lead the reader to assume there is a real historical character named Achilles who used that subterfuge. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:33, 6 March 2017 (UTC)