Talk:Waseda University

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Is it really appropriate to use the term "dropout" to describe people who did not finish their studies at Waseda? It seems to carry a somewhat negative connotation, especially as we do not know the circumstances of why certain people were unable to finish their studies. Would it not be more appropriate to say something like "did not graduate" or "studies not completed"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.181.208.253 (talk) 16:21, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I feel the same way. As far as I know, I want to change them appropriately. --221.171.23.199 (talk) 09:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

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"Second oldest private university" question

An IP changed this "second" to "first", with the following edit summary: "Waseda university is the first university that was founded in 1920. So erase ”second" and correct to " the first". Evidence is here→[ see below ] Unfortunately the link given seems to be truncated, and returns an error. The article on Keio University states that it was founded at a date before the founding of Waseda, so a claim that Waseda was first requires good evidence, and quite a bit of explaining. Imaginatorium (talk) 12:03, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

This is "IP". Sorry here is correct evidence→https://www.digital.archives.go.jp/DAS/meta/MetSearch.cgi?DEF_XSL=default&SUM_KIND=summary_normal&META_KIND=NOFRAME&IS_KIND=detail&IS_SCH=META&IS_STYLE=default&IS_TYPE=meta&DB_ID=G9100001EXTERNAL&GRP_ID=G9100001&IS_START=2&IS_TAG_S1=InD&IS_TMP_S7=c_t_search_3&IS_KEY_S7=SRG+BST+KNM&IS_TAG_S7=c_t&IS_LGC_S7=AND&LIST_TYPE=default&IS_LIST_ON_OF=off&LIST_VIEW=&ON_LYD=on&IS_KEY_S1=%E5%A4%A7%E5%AD%A6%E4%BB%A4%E3%80%80%E6%97%A9%E7%A8%B2%E7%94%B0&IS_NUMBER=1&SUM_NUMBER=100&SUM_START=1&IS_LYD_DIV=&LIST_VIEW=&_SHOW_EAD_ID=M0000000000001754283&ON_LYD=on

OK, this is evidence that Waseda was founded in 1920. Keio University says "Established 1858", so now we need evidence that this is somehow wrong, and Keio was founded at least 62 years later than claimed. (And therefore that it was not founded by Fukuzawa Yukichi). Imaginatorium (talk) 12:17, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

This is "IP". From the view point of "University", the first one is Waseda because of "University Establishment Ordinance at 1920 in Japan" Keio's meaning is just establishment of "preschool" called "juku". I'm meaning the built of "University". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.193.192.43 (talk) 12:33, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it is true that the ordinance in 1920 first assigned the name 大学, and it is also true that many educational establishments do not have a clear "Beginning" date, but if you want to change the date of establishment of Keio, you need to start a proper discussion on the talk page there. Imaginatorium (talk) 12:58, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

The same IP is now adding a spurious entry to the "References" section, claiming Waseda is the "first private university". Both Waseda and Keio were formally given 大学 status according to the cabinet proclamation (whatever it was) on exactly the same day, 2nd February Tasho 9 (1920). It is true that Waseda got case number 23, one ahead of Keio at 24, but de minimis non curat lex. Here are the entries from ja:WP and the govt records site:

• 慶應義塾大学 Keio-gijuku daigaku
• 大学設置 1920年 Year of 大学 status
• 創立 1858年 Year of founding
• 件名番号 024 "Case number" (govt records)
• 　　
• 早稲田大学 Waseda daigaku
• 大学設置 1920年 Year of 大学 status
• 創立 1882年 Year of founding
• 件名番号 023 "Case number" (govt records)

As 1858 was 24 years before 1882, we record Waseda as the "Second". But actually we don't even bother to say this, because it is not significant. Imaginatorium (talk) 09:10, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

This is IP14.193.192.43. "Ken (number)" is counter suffix, so this number is to count the number from one to ten, so Waseda is the first (I mean older, even slightly). And also, This story is authorized officially at National Archives in Japan. So I am going to add "the first". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.193.192.43 (talk) 11:43, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Right, well the way we would write what you are trying to say in English is something like this:

Although Keio University was founded in 1858, some 24 years before the founding of Waseda in 1882, in the process of ratification of the university status according to the government decree of 1920, the two universities were ratified on the same day, 2 February, but Waseda was given the lower case number (23 as against 24 for Keio). As it is presumed that the formal ratification of Waseda may have occurred some minutes before that of Keio, there are people who believe that this makes Waseda the "First private university" in Japan.

When you can find a consensus agreeing that this is a worthwhile addition to the article, then perhaps it can be added. I think it is a very very silly idea. Imaginatorium (talk) 14:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

This is 14.193.192.43. When that way, don't erase my data I find the exact fact. I will write the fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.193.192.43 (talk) 15:26, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

When you have found the "fact", write it here, and perhaps we can help you write it in understandable English. (日本語で書いてもかまいません。はっきり言うと、今までの英文投稿は全く通じないのがほとんどです。) Imaginatorium (talk) 19:19, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

I will write down the "fact" Waseda established first at 1920 because of the National Archives. Please don't erase the fact. I look you are just kidding. This is the real fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.193.192.43 (talk) 22:54, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Agreed that naming conventions for various Japanese institutions of higher education prior to 1920 were a mess. Waseda's own online materials cite its foundation to be 1882 and adoption of the "university" name to be 1902. IP 14.193.192.43 cites the National Archives University Establishment Ordinance of 1920. Waseda along with a number of Tokyo institutions with Meiji era pedigrees were already calling themselves "大学”　prior to 1920. A more carefully phrased explanation in the Waseda University#Institution#History and development section of this belated government recognition under the terms of the ja:旧制大学 should suffice, and would mirror text for both Waseda and other universities in the Japanese language Wikipedia pages. Loading poorly phrased language about Waseda being "the first university" in the intro paragraph is unnecessarily pedantic and flies in the face of both independent scholarship and the university's own account of its foundation history. --Aw1805 (talk) 01:08, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Please don't erase the sentence easily because it's the history of university system in Japan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.193.192.43 (talk) 03:58, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Do you mean "Don't rush to erase the sentence"? I don't think that anybody has been in a rush to delete anything. Indeed, Imaginatorium and Aw1805 have been commendably patient. -- Hoary (talk) 12:06, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

For me, it seem that IP is patient. I know IP is serious. I saw another source, [1]. At this time, although I say, also I am always concerned about translative or collaborative project. I have never thought that imaginatrium's, DAJF and David eppstein edit were collaborative. --Takahiro4 (talk) 17:41, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

For the record, this source also simply shows both Keio and Waseda receiving the same accreditation on 2 Feb 1920. And they are listed in あいう order, so Keio is written before Waseda. Imaginatorium (talk) 10:38, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

I've no doubt that the IP is serious. But are you serious in putting forward a short, unsourced paragraph within a Wikipedia article as a source of importance? -- Hoary (talk) 23:23, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

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How is simple:Waseda Jitsugyo related to Waseda University, and should Waseda Jitsugyo exist? It's pretty unclear to me what the exact differences are between all these institutions related to Waseda University that have Wikipedia articles. --143.176.30.65 (talk) 15:55, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

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