Talk:Webster's Brewery/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Jim Sweeney (talk · contribs) 09:08, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments

• This is a good read and just needs some minor tweaks to achieve GA status.

Thanks, do you mean entertaining good, informative good or well-written good? Farrtj (talk) 03:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

• In the info box Products Beer is a bit simple, suggest Mild ale, Bitter (beer) and Lager, is used to make it clear what products they produced.
• In the History section - his father was a farmer who owned 10 acres. - leaves the reader wondering 10 acres of what.
• used to brew Webster's until the brewery's closure. - used to brew Webster's products / ales / beers until the brewery's closure. It needs something else to read better.
• £175,000 of capital and in 1892 net profit was £20,000 - as you later linked totals to 2010 prices to remain consistent these should also be linked.
• and Northgate Hotel of Halifax. should this be and the Northgate Hotel of Halifax. or is it a company ?
• In the late 1950s significant expansions were made when the company entered into an agreement to bottle Guinness - what were the significant expansions and who did they come to an agreement with to bottle Guinness
• Also in 1960, Beeching's Axe fell, and the brewery was disconnected from the railway network - how did this effect the company
• added 73 houses to their estate - added 73 public houses to their estate ?

*There are several sections over cited, which just leads the reader to suspect the references are unreliable. If possible move them to an earlier punctuation point or cut some out. :By that year Webster's had an annual revenue of around £100 million and claimed 7 per cent of the national bitter market.[9][54][55] - does this sentence really need three cites?

At the time of its closure in November 1996, the brewery had employed 184 people on a site that had extended to ten hectares.[61][62][63][64] - four cites for three points ?

:Scottish & Newcastle continued to provide funding for a former employees' annual Christmas lunch until 2003, when the Webster's brands were sold to Silvan Brands as part of the firm's strategy of disposing of non-core brands.[71][72][73] - three cites

There are three cites because there are three separate claims in that sentence. Farrtj (talk) 22:52, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Due to its popularity, Green Label was introduced as a keg beer in 1974, replacing Webster's Best.[75][76][77] - three cites

:Webster's Yorkshire Bitter (3.8 per cent ABV) was launched in the summer of 1982 in both cask and keg form, replacing Webster's Pennine Bitter as their predominant bitter brand, as it was rapidly declining in popularity due to it being perceived as an "old man beer", its bitterness and its availability in the by then unfashionable keg dispense.[81][82][83] - three cites :It had become the highest selling bitter in the south of England and the fifth best selling bitter nationally by 1989.[87][88][89] - three cites *Several more over cites in the Advertising section

• References need making consistent. There are some with just bare URLs, others with titles in all caps, inconsistent page notation, etc. Keith D (talk) 17:36, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

• References section has several problems as noted above by Keith D

Access dates or publishing dates are required for all web sources. Its best to use the {{citeweb}} template

Be consistent with date format we have 2011-05-07 and 15 April 2011 for example. I prefer the second system so those readers who use month/day/year or day/month/year don't get confused

:Ref 4 needs a log in. a note should be added saying so

Ref 5 Nature's building blocks: an A-Z guide to the elements need the author, publisher, page no, ISBN etc. You could use WP:CITESHORT and the {{cite book}} template with the books to a bibliography/references section

Is The Brewing industry: a guide to historical records By Lesley Richmond, Alison Turton a book ? see above if so

Ref 11 has an author Geoffrey Washington all other web references need to be checked and authors details added where known

Ref 19 The Times, 28 August 1928 is there a page or section

*You need to check all web based references are reliable sites ref 78 for example petes pint pot http://www.petespintpot.co.uk/hops.html

• Other web based references need links to the site for example Ref 44 Lex, See. "Grand Met Warns on Tax Threat." Financial Times [London, England] 11 February 1981: 16. Financial Times. Web. 12 September 2011.

They may have come from the web but it's a subscription only site so I can't link to them. Farrtj (talk) 14:54, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

On hold

I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Jim Sweeney (talk) 07:53, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

GA failed no attempts to rectify comments for several days. Also the referencing does not support some of the claims made. Jim Sweeney (talk) 11:22, 20 November 2011 (UTC)