Talk:Welland (disambiguation)

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Move discussion in progress

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Requested move 2 March 2021

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. There is a clear absence of consensus for a move at this time. BD2412 T 05:43, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

• Welland (disambiguation) → Welland
• Welland → Welland, Ontario

– No clear primary topic, the city gets 2,100 views but the canal has 5,694 while the English river has 628 and the Canadian river has 232. Colin Welland who is also a PTM has 2,245[[1]] Although these uses are somewhat PTMs I'd also note that they derive from the English river. When I Google Welland I don't appear to get any results for the Canadian city while Images is mixed though there does appear to be slightly more for the city. Books also doesn't appear to return many results for the city. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:22, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose - Nobody arriving at Welland is expecting to see an article on the Welland Canal, so I'm not sure how it is relevant. Google results are geographically biased, so I would probably get very few results for the English locations given my proximity to the Canadian city. I'm not sure why the actor got such a boost in pageviews for the last 2 days of February, but given that only 1 person per day on average is needing to use the disambiguation page, it certainly isn't enough of a problem to warrant extra clicks for the other 99% that did not move on to the disambiguation page when they arrived at the article for the Canadian city.[2] - Floydian ^τ _¢ 20:07, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
• Support WP:NOPRIMARY here. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 20:49, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 15:21, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nomination, 162.208.168.92 and Ortizesp. WP:NOPRIMARYTOPIC indeed. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 07:08, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
• I'm not sure how the nomination can be supported when it's whole pretense is false. The Disambiguation page receives maybe a single page view per day; this is fixing something that is clearly not broken. These are just !votes seemingly. - Floydian ^τ _¢ 07:26, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

  How is its whole pretense is false? WP:DPT says things like views and Google searches may be helpful though I agree the main Google results are likely biased due to my location, Images and Books generally seem to be less geographically biased though. I'm not sure how much weight the DAB page only getting around 1 view a day is since most people get to articles via Google etc rather than searching and some use the dropdown or just search again if they land on the wrong article. See the similar points about the views for DAB at Talk:Sydenham, London#Disambiguation required (a discussion you started that was unanimously opposed) and Talk:Sydenham#Requested move 9 April 2019 (a discussion I started and only 1 person opposed) but the difference was that in the latter views for the other ambiguous topics were given rather than the DAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:34, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

  The false pretense is including a bunch of articles that are not referred to as "Welland", as is the case with the rivers and the canal. - Floydian ^τ _¢ 17:47, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose - the fact that one particular person's Google results skew a certain way has never been a criterion for primary topic. There are no full title matches that compare to the long-term significance of this city of 50,000+. Red Slash 20:47, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Red Slash and Floydian. The canal is indeed more notable, but not called Welland. Srnec (talk) 17:38, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Srnec, Red Slash and Floydian, WP:TITLEPTM and WP:TITLECHANGES. Welland is only a partial title match for Welland Canal and needs to be discounted accordingly. The vast majority of users searching with just "Welland" are looking for the city, not the canal or any other use. So you can't use the page views of canal to decide on PT for the base name. For the occasional user who is looking for the canal with just "Welland", there is a hatnote link to the canal at the top of the article. There is no good reason to move articles per this proposal. --В²C ☎ 21:55, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
  • I just reviewed the earlier RM discussions at Talk:Welland. It's clear that nothing, including consensus, has changed. --В²C ☎ 22:04, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.