Talk:Wellington R. Burt/GA1

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Reviewer: Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 13:46, 20 June 2011 (UTC) See if you can tidy the article up a bit. Refs should be in numerical order, eg. ^[1][2] not ^[2][1]; if a quotation is a sentence fragment, then the end quote marks should come before the full stop/period. There are also some sentence which are grammatically odd. I suggest a quick read through to check it is as you intend (I've spotted a clause without a verb, for example). SImilarly there are some typographical errors "etc.." for example. Do you have dates for the pictures? If so, caption them accordingly. Personally, I'd crop his name from the picture, but that's not required. You also do what I do and put an excessive number of commas before the word "and", which complicates the sentence structure and makes clarity hard to achieve, particularly in sentences with other commas. "Many thought this would be the end of Burt's fortunes" sounds like editorialising, which should be avoided.

The references are also a little confusing. Some are listed by author first, some web links have retrieval dates, some do not, "Burt Opera House" is just stated. Whilst use of WP:Citation templates is not necessary, I suggest you take a look and either use them, or perhaps copy them in some respects to ensure clear referencing. There was, also, some discussion about Find-a-grave as to whether it was a reliable source, but I can't remember the conclusion. I'll get beck to you on that. Article is on hold for 7 days, or until that and the other issues are resolved. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 13:46, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for your time in going over the article. There's a lot of suggestions, some I understand some not. To help workflow I'm going to unpack into a list so we can go through and check off. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 17:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• Refs should be in numerical order

Done. Green Cardamom (talk) 17:39, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• If a quotation is a sentence fragment, then the end quote marks should come before the full stop/period

Fixed. Green Cardamom (talk) 17:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• some sentence which are grammatically odd .. I've spotted a clause without a verb

Will need help here, don't know which sentences are off. Green Cardamom (talk) 17:48, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• some typographical errors "etc.." for example

Changed to "etc." per Et cetera. Also standardized all quotes to "". Green Cardamom (talk) 17:50, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• dates for the pictures

The two pictures without dates, none are available. Green Cardamom (talk) 17:44, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• I'd crop his name from the picture

Done. Green Cardamom (talk) 04:07, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• excessive number of commas before the word "and"

Removed a bunch of commas.. Green Cardamom (talk) 18:06, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• "Many thought this would be the end of Burt's fortunes" sounds like editorialising

I added "at the time" to clarify, it is basically what the source says people at the time thought. Green Cardamom (talk) 17:39, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• "Burt Opera House" is just stated

Added "Taymouth Township, Michigan". Green Cardamom (talk) 17:48, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

"By the "Burt Opera House", I meant the last reference in the article" (User:Grandiose)

Ok fixed. Green Cardamom (talk) 19:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• references are also a little confusing .. Citation templates

Done. Green Cardamom (talk) 03:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Find-a-grave as to whether it was a reliable source?

I have been able to ascertaon that current consensus is that "Find a Grave [is] not a reliable source" (User:Grandiose)

Removed FindAGrave (which was a microfiche image of his death cert) and replaced with original source of image and uploaded to Commons. Green Cardamom (talk) 19:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

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I'll leave you to work through the remaining items to the point where it's just the few things you don't quite understand. If you're a native speaker, it should just be a case of reading it through carefully (I did nothing more to notice them). Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 18:02, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

A couple more points. Firstly, I have been able to ascertaon that current consensus is that "Find a Grave [is] not a reliable source", which unfortunately means removing it as a reference. Once you've done this, I'll give the article a sweep to see if anything needs an alternative reference. Secondly, by the "Burt Opera House", I meant the last reference in the article, not in the text itself. Sorry for the confusion. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 18:07, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok I've addressed the points above, anything additional let me know. Re: grammar, I'm a native speaker, but make mistakes, and since I wrote it I've read through it many times, which is the problem, I often have trouble seeing my own mistakes, so will need an editor or someone to read through for grammatical corrections. If you'd rather not, do you know of anyone or project on Wikipedia who volunteer for that sort of thing? Green Cardamom (talk) 04:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I've taken care of it - things like angled quotation marks, links, grammar, and editorialising. I suggest you take a look so you can see what to keep an eye out for. Passing, although some reviewers would be more picky about grammar than me. For future reference, the WP:Guild of Copyeditors (and their requests page) are where to go. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 17:47, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok great edits, they seem obvious after the fact, thanks for taking the time, and I'll keep the Guild in mind next time before going to GA. Green Cardamom (talk) 19:16, 22 June 2011 (UTC)