Talk:Wells curve

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I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: This is very good. :).

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:34, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

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Wells curve

• ... that the Wells curve (pictured) explains the difference between respiratory droplet transmission and airborne transmission of respiratory diseases? Source: "This paradigm between droplet and airborne transmission has been underpinned by early studies by Wells, who described the settling of expelled particles as being a function of size, time and evaporation" [1]

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Moved to mainspace by Rosieredfield (talk). Nominated by John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) at 21:07, 21 May 2020 (UTC).

• GTG. New and long enough, well-written, fully referenced, & highly topical (with COVID). QPQ done. The hook could perhaps be made more accessible and/or dramatic, & its a rather dense read. Earwig finds nothing. Hook checks out. Not sure if the pic is ok for MP - scientific graph redrawn (by nom) from 1934 publication, by an author who died in 1963. I think that's ok - it's not a creative work. Johnbod (talk) 23:35, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but I am having trouble finding the hook fact in the article. Could you point out the sentence to me please? It seems that an alternate hook could focus on the text in the lead on what happens to respiratory droplets once they have been exhaled into air. I also added a "citation needed" tag to one paragraph per Rule D2. Yoninah (talk) 17:11, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

It seems to be in the lead to me, plus elsewhere. This isn't going to be one of those where the exact phrasing is wanted, is it? Did you ping the creator and nominator? Johnbod (talk) 01:16, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I pinged everyone. If the fact is just in the lead, it needs an inline cite. The hook seems like more of an extracted fact than one actually discussed in the article. Personally, I think a more interesting (and cited) fact could be pulled from the article. Yoninah (talk) 08:00, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Ok, time to hear from the creator & nom, Johnbod (talk) 13:43, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that the Wells curve (pictured) explains how rapidly respiratory droplets become aerosol particles, leading to airborne transmission that can spread respiratory diseases over large distances? Source: "This paradigm between droplet and airborne transmission has been underpinned by early studies by Wells, who described the settling of expelled particles as being a function of size, time and evaporation" [2]

OK, I rewrote the hook to better capture the relevance of the article. Do I need to do anything else? Rosieredfield (talk) 02:32, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Refactored as alt1 to avoid confusion. 191 characters long, I make it. Johnbod (talk) 02:53, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

It's important that droplet and airborne transmission are two different things, and ALT1 kind of glosses that over. Some respiratory diseases transmit readily through droplets, but poorly or not at all by the airborne route. Maybe we do need to add a sentence or two to the article to more explicitly discuss that point. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 04:38, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

But the original hook is misleading, because this article isn't primarily about how respiratory diseases are transmitted. The Wells Curve itself says nothing about disease transmission - it's about the physical processes that act on droplets. My edit clarified this while still keeping the relevance to disease transmission.Rosieredfield (talk) 14:06, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, please sort it out between you - I don't have a view. But note that the original problem was that the reviewer felt unclear what supported the hook fact, so give sources that make this super-clear, for whatever the final hook is. I'll check that when chosen. Johnbod (talk) 14:11, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• @Rosieredfield: it would be helpful to make the hook less scientific for the general readership that sees the Main Page. Such as:
• ALT2: ... that the Wells curve (pictured), which describes what happens to respiratory droplets once they are exhaled, is relevant for understanding the spread of respiratory infections?
• The "citation needed" tag also needs to be addressed. Yoninah (talk) 15:19, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• How about this? ALT3: ... that the Wells curve (pictured), which describes what happens to respiratory droplets once they are exhaled, helps explain the spread of respiratory infections?
• And I added a citation for Stokes Law.

• What happened to my alt? Restoring thread. Yoninah (talk) 18:11, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you for the cite. Your ALT3 tweak is fine with me; I suggested it! Pinging @Johnbod: to review ALT3. Yoninah (talk) 18:13, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• Ok, ALT3 checks out & cn tag sorted, so GTG. Johnbod (talk) 23:09, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• @John P. Sadowski (NIOSH):, I added your wikilink to the hook we're using, ALT3. Yoninah (talk) 13:51, 18 June 2020 (UTC)