Talk:Welsh Corgi/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Dr. Blofeld (talk · contribs) 12:51, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Should the infobox data be sourced?

• I'd edited from the pre-existing version to match the information given in the article itself. So it wouldn't be an issue to cite it as I'd just mirror the cites from the body of the article. Miyagawa (talk) 16:56, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

• I've added the cites from the article to the infobox. Miyagawa (talk) 19:28, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

History

• "Both Pembrokeshire and Cardigan were historically agricultural areas of Wales,[2] and the combination of their low height off the ground and innate agility of Welsh Corgis would allow them to avoid the hooves of cattle." -I don't think this sentence all belongs together, the combination part doesn't seem to follow on naturally.

• I've split the two into separate sentences. Miyagawa (talk) 16:56, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

• Welsh language- link?

• Added. Miyagawa (talk) 16:56, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

• "Welsh folklore says the corgi is the preferred mount of tiny, woodland fairy warriors.[3] T" -wording seems a little odd, is this a paraphrase of an author or something? It might be best to quote and attribute if so.

• I've removed that line. It was a mention from a book that was used prior to my work on the article, so when I found a source I had access to, I added it... right after that line and then promptly forgot to remove the original. So there's basically the same thing there now, from a different source - but only one mention of it instead of two. Miyagawa (talk) 16:56, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

• "and it is thought that these two breeds share a common ancestor" -by whom?

• The source doesn't say who unfortunately, only that it's a theory out there. A completely rubbish theory if you ask me, as the weight of evidence is squarely on the side of separate evolutions and subsequently cross breeding in the 18th century. Miyagawa (talk) 16:56, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

• "Captain J.P. Howell called together a meeting of breeders of both the Pembroke and the Cardigan varieties, and formed the Welsh Corgi Club with an initial membership of 59 members. " -where, Pembroke?

• Not sure, the source only says "the local pub". I'll look into it, as I haven't checked the official website of the club and they're sure to say. Miyagawa (talk) 16:56, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

• I've checked and the club doesn't mention it. No news stories about it in the BNA either. Miyagawa (talk) 19:28, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

• "The first Championship was granted at a Cardiff show in 1928, which was awarded to a red and white Pembroke bitch named Shan Fach. " -which was doesn't work well here, try "The first Championship was granted at a Cardiff show in 1928, with the prize awarded to a red and white Pembroke bitch named Shan Fach".

• Changed as suggested. Miyagawa (talk) 16:56, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

• "es, registering him with the AKC as Sierra Bowhit Pivot. In addition to his British titles, he became the first Corgi to be awarded Champion status in America and the first such dog to be named Best of Group at a conformation show in the United States" -when?

• I've got the importation year, but let me look into it more to see if there is more information about when the victory occurred. Miyagawa (talk) 16:56, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

• No luck with finding other sources for this. Miyagawa (talk) 19:28, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Modern breeds

• ""There is a greater number of colours of coat present in the Pembroke breed" - should it be "There are a' greater number" ... ?

• Done. Miyagawa (talk) 16:56, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

• Is there really nothing more to say about 1940s-present aside from that line on 1997? I would have expected a further paragraph.

• Only some brief expansion, but it does add that the Pembroke became really popular after the Second World War - the fourth most popular breed in the UK - higher than the Labrador for example. Plus a runner up spot at Crufts. I also managed to example the Vulnerable Native Breed information a fair bit. I'd thought I'd made a mistake by saying it was the Pembroke as the Cardigan numbers should have been lower... only to discover the VNB has managed to leave off the other Corgi breed. Then in doing so, I also discovered sources to show the Pembroke is no longer on the list. So that's all been added. Miyagawa (talk) 19:28, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

• "while a dog of this breed should weigh" -why "should", you mean for a contest?

• I've clarified this to say that those weights/heights are based on the breed standards. Miyagawa (talk) 16:56, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

• "" After a visit to Thomas Thynne, 5th Marquess of Bath, Princesses Elizabeth and Margaret made it well known to their family that they liked the Corgis owned by the Marquess." -when?

• 1933 - added. Miyagawa (talk) 16:56, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

• "In 1961, a Corgi featured in the Walt Disney film, Little Dog Lost.[35] In the anime Cowboy Bebop, the main characters have a super-intelligent Pembroke Welsh corgi, Ein, on their ship.[36] The Top Shelf graphic novel Korgi plays on the folklore tradition of the corgi " -check capitalization inconsistency throughout of "corgi"

• Fixed. I'd replaced the cites, but retained the text from prior to my version, so that's where the lowercase corgis snuck in. Miyagawa (talk) 16:56, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

@Miyagawa: A decent enough effort though I'd have expected a little more in post 30s and perhaps some example of famous corgis.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:11, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: Thanks for the review. There's a couple of places I need to expand on and check for potential more information. I'll ping you again once I've done that. Miyagawa (talk) 16:56, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: Ok, I think I've addressed everything. Mind you, I now know far more about the Queen's Corgis than I ever thought I would! Also found an interesting bit of EU related paranoia from The Times, claiming that dogs like the Corgi, Cocker Spaniel and Bassett Hound would get banned because of the length of their ears. That was 1997... and I'm pretty sure that never happened! ;) Miyagawa (talk) 19:28, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

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2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail: A job well done!♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:06, 11 April 2016 (UTC)