Talk:Wentworth–Bland flag

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The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Narutolovehinata5 talk 11:14, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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Electoral flag used by Wentworth and Bland

• ... that the electoral banner used by William Wentworth and William Bland (reproduction pictured) for Australia's first colonial election has been cited as a forerunner to subsequent Australian flags? Source: State Library of NSW
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Created by Willthorpe (talk). Self-nominated at 05:38, 20 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Wentworth-Bland flag; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Comment. This is less about the DYK eligibility, and I'm sure this is fine as an independent article, but... practically nothing in this article is about the flag. It's almost all about the background of the flag's creators and some events that happened contemporaneously with the flag's usage. The cited source, [1], doesn't even sound sure that the banner was used during the events discussed: "This banner was probably created for Australia’s first ‘national’ political elections held on 15 June 1843." (Of course, maybe they mean it was potentially created earlier.) A decent amount of the article seems like it'd really have a better home at 1843 New South Wales colonial election, and then prominently link that, perhaps? SnowFire (talk) 23:47, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
  • SnowFire The source further down has several mentions of the banner and the 1843 election, and the former's use during the latter. I previously cited two sources on this nomination. Cheers, Will Thorpe (talk) 06:18, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
    • Fair enough. I'm... still not sure that this information isn't really better treated elsewhere, or that the statement in the lede that "The banner is notable for its role in early Australian electoral democracy" is fully supported by the text. Again, it's good content, it's great to be on Wikipedia somewhere, but with the exception of the "Legacy" section, it really seems like the article is actually about 1843 New South Wales colonial election, Sydney. The flag was present during these riots, sure, but I'm not sure it was really the focus - presumably the rioters ire was aimed at Wentworth and Bland personally, not merely their flag. (But yes, this is DYKN, not RM. But I'd consider refactoring or moving the article on the above grounds, or else having more content on the flag - the "Legacy" section has some, but it's just two sentences.) SnowFire (talk) 19:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, presently I would like to withdraw this nomination, not expecting it to move forward in its current state and not being willing to do much about it at the moment. Cheers, Will Thorpe (talk) 00:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Article title / focus

I figured I might as well put this on the talk page rather than the DYK nom, since it's a bit of a separate issue. @Willthorpe: what would you think about moving the article to some variant of 1843 New South Wales colonial election, Sydney per above (phrased by whatever works best), and then have a section titled "Wentworth-Bland flag"? The current title, Wentworth–Bland flag, could keep its flag-specific categories as a redirect. While the article could be in better shape, Lambing Flat riots looks somewhat similar - there's a section on the flag used, but the riots itself are the main focus of the article, and hence that's the name used. That's my suggestion, at least. (And would still be DYK eligible, complete with picture of the flag - just change the bolded link to the "Australia's first colonial election in Sydney" or the like .) SnowFire (talk) 18:37, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

@SnowFire I think it could potentially be moved to a subset of the election article, but at the same time I believe the subject matter of this article has some standout value, given its status as an early Australian flag with some common features to subsequent Australian flags. I am not opposed to a move. Cheers, Will Thorpe (talk) 10:55, 8 February 2024 (UTC)