Talk:Westchester, Los Angeles

Westchester Golf Course

The introduction states that LAX expansions resulted in a reduction of the golf course from 18 to 15 holes. However, it is currently an 18-hole golf course. So this information appears incorrect. If it is correct it is incomplete in not mentioning adding the three holes back.

Intercontinental University

Intercontinental University is in Culver City not Westchester. It is close to Westchester, though.

Otis buildings

The Theme Building and E. Noyes architecture on the Otis campus are, in fact, rather relevant and significant to both local residents and the general public. Well, OK, maybe just the architecture geeks care so much about the IBM building. Still, it is important and worth including.

Please sign your contributions by striking the tilde key (~) four times. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 19:36, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Borders of Westchester

I grew up in Westchester in the 60's and 70's. We always considered the 405 as the eastern border of Westchester. Anything east of that was Inglewood. Also we considered Pershing Dr. the western limit of Westchester even though I believe theres a street sign on Manchester near Westchester High that says "Playa Del Rey". Dr. Morbius 21:28, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Borders of L.A.'s neighborhoods are notoriously undefined. We need a source for the one used in this article. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 19:35, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

the article states: "The Westchester Neighbors Association defines its boundaries as "the area within the City of Los Angeles: east of Sepulveda Boulevard, north of Manchester Avenue and west of the I/S 405 Freeway (San Diego Fwy)."[1]

That defines the borders of the Westchester Neighbors Association - not Westchester. I live in Kentwood which is west of Sepulveda but still in Westchester. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.127.169 (talk) 03:32, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Sources needed

This article really needs sources. There are many statements that are simply opinion, pure and simple, and others which may be true, but we have no way of checking them. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 04:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I lived in Westchester from 1970-1978 and there was no "covenant-enforced segregation" that I could see. I went to Westchester Lutheran School on Sepulveda Blvd., and it was definitely not white only! In fact, I think I'll go back and edit that statement out; it's inflammatory and unsubstantiated.Henitsirk (talk) 01:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I also agree. The first few sentences of this article states a lot, but has no sources to back it up. It should either be sourced, or deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.231.182 (talk) 03:03, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

But of course there were restrictive covenants when Westchester and many other all-white suburbs were laid out. If you examine the deeds, they are probably still there, although they are not enforceable in the courts. Still, you have the right to remove an unsourced statement even though it is palpably true and definitely not inflammatory — only informative. You see, I remember the days when blacks had to leave, for example, Inglewood before the sun went down. Sincerely,GeorgeLouis (talk) 05:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed with above and that more sources are needed, even for seemingly trivial statements such as "Westchester is becoming more eclectic" that stand out as being possible original research without something to verify it ... cheers, --guyzero | talk 17:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Airline offices

There has been some posting and removal of a list of three airline offices in Westchester. I was the second one to take the list back out. I did this because airline offices aren't particularly noteworthy, especially closed ones. There are airline offices in lots of cities, and having two of the offices already closed is especially trivial. --Beirne (talk) 18:26, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

But this isn't an article about a large city - this is an article about a specific community, and therefore contains more specific information. Yes, a lot of cities have airline offices, but they tend to be in specific communities. Westchester makes it money from having aviation-related businesses, so it is natural that airlines would establish offices in Westchester. Also, the first one to take it was an IP address user, and the anon doesn't seem to be much of an active contributor. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:32, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

The fact that Westchester has LAX is interesting, and that's the important thing in the article. Listing a few ancilliary businesses, 2/3 of which are closed, is not interesting and does not add useful information to the article. I might as well list the Airport Marina Coffee Shop. --Beirne (talk) 18:48, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

But the airport marina coffeeshop has no Wikipedia article. Also these offices have administrative/office functions, while a coffeeshop is a retail operation. If a notable coffee company maintained an administrative office in the premises, I would list it, but I would not list a retail operation of the said coffee company. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:58, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

If you are going to list airline offices, then it will next follow that the article should list rental car businesses, since these are large companies and they even have active operations. --Beirne (talk) 19:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

But do these rental car companies have administrative offices in Westchester? The rental car company operations at the airport are the retail operations, like a coffee stand would be. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Creating an section on the Westchester economy and only listing the airline for Fiji and two airline offices that left the community does Westchester a disservice. It would be better to have the economy mention the airport, then list businesses that are in Westchester because of the airport. This could include rental car lots, and yes, it could then include Air Pacific. --Beirne (talk) 19:52, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, one thing that could help is that if one has an incomplete list that has useful info that could be expanded upon, one could include the tag {{expand|section}} - That tells the reader that the section is incomplete. IMO what this needs is a summarization of the economic activity in Westchester (see Tysons Corner, Virginia#Economy), and then move on to explain companies operating there, etc. By the way, Continental Airlines had its HQ at LAX until the airline moved to Houston (in the 1980s, I think), so that would be worth explaining (I know the years that CO was at LAX) WhisperToMe (talk) 21:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Look, no amount of expansion-tagging will make such a list anything but a collection of fragments found here and there. One expects there to be airline-related facilities near an airport. Except such of these as are indivividually notable for some reason, these are, well, not notable. Listen to Beirne. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.68.39 (talk) 22:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

1. I am very much listening to Beirne, 72.70.

2. The Los Angeles Times printed an article saying El Segundo to Be Airline Office Site - Division offices of airlines are notable, you just have to make sure that, relatively speaking, they are important to the surrounding community.

3. Please re-read Beirne's post above the one where I suggest the expand tag. His point was that listing some of these is not representative of the economic activity in Westchester. Well, then one should find more information and add it. It is about adding and building.

4. 72.70, the distinction is that these are administrative in function, and not where the customer gets the services.

5. You say " One expects there to be airline-related facilities near an airport" - One expects the retail and service-level infrastructure to always be there, but the administrative offices (from headquarters to division offices) may, or may not, be in proximity to the airport. It is understandable when administrative offices are near the airport (and a way to note a trend in a place's economy), but they are not always in proximity to the airport.

6. If you wonder, yes, I have had similar discussion about similar matters. Look at Tysons Corner, Virginia's Economy Section - It fell into place once another user found an economic report from Fairfax County.

WhisperToMe (talk) 22:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

1. Thanks!

2. This may be, but do you really want the only listed current business in Westchester to be the airline from Fiji?

3. This is where I think some context would help, like I suggested in my last post. Then businesses can be added. If there is more to the Westchester economy than the airport then that should be included, too. I won't be much help, though, as I haven't lived near Westchester in over 35 years.

4. If the only administrative businesses in Westchester are either defunct or are minor airlines, then it seems reasonable to include some retail businesses like Hertz that aren't common in other communities.

5. As mentioned above, I don't mind focusing on the airport, it just needs to have more context.

6. The Tyson's Corner one is just OK, but it at least has more content.

--Beirne (talk) 23:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

1. You are welcome :)

2. I think the best way to resolve all this is to find a source that has an economic overview of the Westchester community. The source may explain how the industry developed, etc. I found similar stuff for El Segundo, California#Economy, which has airline offices too. BTW the China Airlines office moved, at some point, from by LAX to El Segundo.

3. I looked at the Westchester-Playa Neighborhood Council site, but I couldn't really find anything that describes the economy at length.

WhisperToMe (talk) 00:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I found out that Western Airlines was also headquartered at LAX, so I decided to add it here. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:13, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Recent changes

Some recent changes involved some good updating, but let's not just delete the 2000 figures taken from Mapping L.A. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 16:08, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

The references to American Fact Finder are quite opaque. They don't seem to lead to pages concerning Westchester. GeorgeLouis (talk) 16:14, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Apparently, this old geezer believes anything from the LATimes and whatever news it publishes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.249.57.108 (talk) 04:17, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

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