Talk:Western Apache people

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i have included a rather large bibliography on language materials so that any Apaches living far away from the reservation who want to learn their language may have a list of things to look for.

bright moments! - Ish ishwar 22:35, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

White Mountain Apache origin story

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I've removed the following text from the Fort Apache Indian Reservation article. Although it's not relevant there, it seems valuable enough to preserve for future integration, either here or on a new page specific to this tribe. --Lockley (talk) 22:57, 18 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

While the White Mountain Apache are related to several different Apache tribes and people, their culture has its differences. The creation story of the White Mountain Apache found in Grenville Goodwin’s book, Myths and Tales of the White Mountain Apache is one example of their difference in beliefs. Four people started to work on the earth. When they set it up, the wind blew it off again. It was weak like an old woman. They talked together about the earth among themselves. “What shall we do about this earth, my friends? We don’t know what to do about it.” Then one person said, ”Pull it from four different sides.” They did this, and the piece they pulled out on each side they made like a foot. After they did this, the earth stood all right. Then on the east side of the earth they put big black cane, covered with black metal thorns. On the south side of the earth, they put big blue cane covered with blue metal thorns. Then on the west side of the earth they put big yellow cane covered with white metal thorns. After they did this, the earth was almost steady, but it was still soft and mixed with water. It moved back and forth. After they had worked on the earth this way Black Wind Old Man came to this place. He threw himself against the earth. Then Black Water Old Man threw himself against the earth. When he threw himself against the earth, thunder started in the four directions. Now the earth was steady, and it was as if born already. But the earth was shivering. They talked about it: “My friends, what’s the matter with this earth? It is cold and freezing. We better give it some hair.” They made all these grasses and bushes and trees to grow on the earth, but the earth was still too weak. They started to talk about it: “My friends, let’s make bones for the earth.” This way they made rocky-mountains and rocks sticking out of the earth. Then they talked about the earth again: “How will it breathe, this earth?” Then came Black Thunder to that place, and he gave the earth veins. He whipped the earth with lightning and made water start to come out. For this reason all the water runs to the west while the earth’s head lies to the east. They made the sun so it traveled close over the earth from east to west. They made the sun too close to the Earth and it got too hot. So they moved the sun a little higher, but it was still too close to the earth and too hot. So they talked and moved the sun a little higher up. Now it was all right and this last place they set the sun is just where it is now. Then they set the moon so it traveled close over the earth from east to west. The moon was too close to the earth and it was like daytime at night. So they moved it back a way, but it was still like daylight. They talked about it again, and moved it higher up, but it was still a little light. So they talked about it again and moved it a little further away to where the moon is today. This is the way they made the earth for us. This is the way all these wild fruits and foods were raised for us, and this is why we have to use them because they grow here” (Goodwin 1-2).

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very basic stub; needs full expansion and separation of language/people articles, lang maybe as Coyotero Apache --(?) (10 May 06)

Language article exists: Western Apache language...which should be mentioned in the article somewhere... --Miskwito 23:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

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