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Could someone please explain why the entire page on "western ganga dynasty" was deleted. When i tried to pull up the page, it said "copyright" violation. Whoever tagged it as copyright violation obviously does not know that the "Western Ganga Dynasty" are the same as "Gangas of Kolar" and "Gangas of Talkad", just a different way of saying the same thing. Please reinstate the contents of "western Ganga Dynasty" that was eliminated. I dont care what you call it as, Gangas of Talkad, Gangas of Kolar or Western Ganga Dynasty". They are all the same dynasty. Most material in that page had been referenced from "History of Karnataka" - My Arthikaje and there was not copyright violation. I has explicity mentioned that reference also.

Dinesh Kannambadi.

Infobox for Ganga DynastyDineshkannambadi 00:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I am creating an infobox for all the Western Ganga kings and will be doing a good amount of editing using the reference sources shown in the page. Please be reminded that all information has been carefully obtained from the sources WITHOUT infringing in copyrights. Any edits that are made must be made with proper reference sources. Any new information is welcome so long as it is accompanied with a reference source. Nothing can be deleted from the page without a discussion as the matter is valid. Alternate views of other historians are also welcome. As such, the contents of the page as of now are fully valid and quite accurate, just a bit inadequate and hence the effort to elaborate.

Dinesh Kannambadi

ON THE ORIGIN OF GANGAS

In the Tamil book Kongudesa Rajakkal (the kings of kongu(ganga) nadu),the 16th cent Jain author,Valasundara Kavirayar has mentioned Kongani(again called Kongani(Kongu+ani)-ruler of Kongans) as being coronated in Vijayaskandapuram or modernday Kangeyam(again Gangeyam or the seat of Gangas) in Erode dist of Tamilnadu.The language as Wilkins states of the southern part of the Mysore state is called Gangee, a dialect which is also called Kongu Tamil or modern Coimbatore Tamil.The dominant (upto 70%) of the population are the Kongu Vellala Gounders whose historicval name has been Gangakulam.In the Kirtararjuneeya,Durvinita is referred as king of Kongani.Today (please go to wikipedia section Kangeyam bull),the breeds of bulls from Kangeyam are referred as Kanganad bulls (Tamilised Ganganad).So we can assume that these kings were from the ruling Vokkaliga-Vellala farmer caste overlapping the bifurcation of Kannada and Tamil.I have various other references from authors like Arokiasamy on this topic. Pon Dheepankar K, Delhi UNiversity. (native:Erode dist,Tamilnadu) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PONDHEEPANKAR (talk • contribs) 11:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

There is no decisive evidence to state the migration was one way or the other. Possibily vokkaligas from Gangavadi spread into the Kongu Nadu region and over time were accepted as the local rulers/farmers of Kongu Nadu even by the Tamil Historians.

Another possibility is that both the Gangavadi and Kongu Nadu were a single region till the Gangavadi area had significant Satvahana Influence and probabily resulting in widespread intermarriages while Kongu Nadu remained unchanged.

Factual accuracy disputed

1. "By the time of Harivarman in 390, the Gangas had consolidated their kingdom with Talakad as their capital." This sentence from the section on "History" is not supported by inscriptional evidence. The earliest reference to Talakadu as the Western Ganga capital appears only in an early eighth century record of Shivamara I. See inscription no. 11 in K.V. Ramesh, Inscriptions of the Western Gangas, Agam Prakashan and ICHR, New Delhi, 1984.

2. "The earliest known Kannada writer from this dynasty is King Durvinita of the 6th century. Kavirajamarga of 850 CE, refers to him as an early writer of Kannada prose." This statement in the section on "Literature" is not borne out by evidence. Inscriptions refer to Durvinita as the author of a text called Shabdavatara, the translator of a text called Vaddakatha, and the commentator on the fifteenth canto of Bharavi's Kiratarjuniya. No where is it said that all these works were in Kannada. The Kavirajamargam refers to Durvinita as a writer of prose, not as a writer of Kannada prose.

talk 21:18, 20 June 2008 (UTC).

You cant use one source and call it a dispute. Majority sources are required. Dineshkannambadi (talk) 16:02, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry dear, 1) The question of majority or minority does not arise in the context of primary sources for Western Ganga state. No inscription prior to the above cited inscription of Shivamara I ever refer to Gangas as ruling from Talakadu. 2) None of the extant inscriptions refer to Durvinita as a Kannada poet. Nor does the Kavirajamarga make such a reference. Here is the passage from Margam. Vimalodaya Nagarjuna Sameta Jayabandhu Durvinitaadigalee kramadol negalchi gadyaashrama pada gurutaa prateetiyam kaikondar. Margam 1.29. Tell me where does it talk about Durvinita as a Kannada poet. 3. Now, provide me at least one reference from extant primary sources which says that Durvinita wrote in Kannada. For more recent discussion of the language and literature question see i) Sheldon Pollock. “The Cosmopolitan Vernacular.” In Journal of Asian Studies 57 (1): 6-37. ii) Sheldon Pollock, ed. 2004. Literary Cultures in History: Reconstructions From South Asia. New Delhi: Oxford University Press. iii) Sheldon Pollock. 2007. The Language of the Gods in the World of Men: Sanskrit, Culture and Power in Premodern South Asia. New Delhi: Permanent Black. talk 23:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry dear too. You are doing original research with your Margam stuff. Pollock is just one source, I have numerous sources and ofcourse, majority sources does matter. see WP:UNDUE.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 17:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Another factual inaccuracya and POV

The statement—They believed that the tirthankars had creative and destructive powers which is similar to the beliefs of Hindus who assigned these powers to the holy trinity (Trimurti); Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva—is totally wrong. Surprising that it is there in a FA article. I should be removed immediately. --Anish (talk) 08:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

what is name of first king

//Some facts like the mention of Konganipattam only from the 6th century inscriptions, after a conquest, rule out their Kongu Nadu origin//

from origin topic

even the first king of ganga dyansty has Konganipattam on 350 A.D Porulur Poosan Kaviyarasu Gounder (talk) 11:01, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Empire

Empire (Subordinate to Pallava until 350) ( please give us proof )

gangas where of Velir origin ,velir king named nannan ruled northern kerala(kannur,kasarkood) and tulu area in sangam age ,mentioned as gangan katti in sangam literature

they where Subordinate to cheras until 350

pallava to formed on later times around 500 A.D Pallavas rose in power during the reign of Mahendravarman I (571 – 630 CE) and Narasimhavarman I (630 – 668 CE) and dominated the Telugu and northern parts of the Tamil region for about six hundred years until the end of the 9th century.Porulur Poosan Kaviyarasu Gounder (talk) 11:07, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Images

Is it just me, or does this article have too many images along the right-hand side? So many images and templates at the top of the article push down everything along the side. It would be nice to move some of the images around or use "double image" templates to consolidate. --Another Believer _(Talk) 16:07, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

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