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Requested move 19 October 2018

Latest comment: 6 years ago7 comments6 people in discussion

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The result of the move request was: moved for the first page and no consensus for the second. (page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 08:05, 27 October 2018 (UTC)Reply

– The 1952 game show article is incorrectly disambiguated under WP:NCTV and has to be moved regardless. In terms of the much more famous version of Wheel of Fortune, we have two options:

Wheel of Fortune (U.S. game show) is technically incomplete disambiguation, as there are in fact two different American game shows with that title, as per WP:INCDAB, and thus the more famous version should also be moved to "by year" disambiguation at Wheel of Fortune (1975 game show), as per WP:NCTV. Or,
Even though it's a technical violation of WP:INCDAB, leave the more famous, current version of Wheel of Fortune at Wheel of Fortune (U.S. game show), on the assumption that >99% of our readership will be looking for that version. (Then link to the 1952 version from Wheel of Fortune (U.S. game show) using a hatnote.)

While the second option is unusual, and is a technical violation of WP:INCDAB, it is not unprecedented – e.g. see: The Office (1995 TV series) and The Office (U.S. TV series). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:57, 19 October 2018 (UTC)Reply

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

Support first, oppose second - per option #2 above. We can easily fix the 1952 article without displacing the other, far more popular article. This article set may also benefit from the creation of a centralized franchise article, much like Got Talent and Idol (franchise) which can act as a WP:CONCEPTDAB. -- Netoholic @ 18:22, 19 October 2018 (UTC)Reply
Support both changes. If we don't want to lose the "US" part of the disambiguator, then the use of year and country should be used (1952 U.S. game show / 1975 U.S. game show), instead of leaving an article as a primary of an incomplete disambiguator per WP:INCDAB. The guidelines can work perfectly without the need to create unneeded artificial exemptions for articles. --Gonnym (talk) 06:54, 21 October 2018 (UTC)Reply
Support first, oppose second Option 2. Don't displace the main one, as again, the vast majority of readers will be looking for that. Enigma^msg 17:04, 25 October 2018 (UTC)Reply
Oppose both. The first is sufficiently precise; the proposed title for the first is overly-precise, per WP:PRECISE. NCTV guidelines contradict WP:CRITERIA; I call IAR accordingly. The second disambiguates better than the proposed title for it. --В²C ☎ 20:04, 26 October 2018 (UTC)Reply
- Utter nonsense: you want to ignore guidelines all the time. It's "Ignore all the rules, all the time, for no good reason" with you. Again, the 1952 version must be moved according to NCTV. Your continuing to ignore guidelines willy-nilly is simply going to get your !votes ignored in these discussions. And rightly so. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:43, 27 October 2018 (UTC)Reply

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