Talk:When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?

Time durations

Hey User:Ss112 Your reply in an edit summary about my edit on the time of each song, and wanted to clarify I used time duration from Tidal while inputting credits and personnel, since there was a time discrepancy between the time from Tidal and the article at the time. It would suit better to include the iTunes source in your edit onto the track listing to prevent future edits with mistakes such as mine, thanks! MunRis • †alk 00:01, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

@MunRis: I wasn't the one who added the durations, and as they matched iTunes, I presumed they were taken from there, so I was mostly just reverting you. I'm not really sure why you're talking about me including a source when you didn't include a source for the track listing in your edit either...? I wouldn't have assumed you were using Tidal for durations just because you cited it for the personnel section. Tidal often adds seconds to durations (and the total length of an album does not match all tracks added up) for some unknown reason, so it's best not to use it for this purpose. Also, regarding your latest edit, we don't need to cite iTunes directly in the track listing section for the once it's out. You will find most albums do not do this because the albums are then taken as sources on themselves. Also, we don't need to repeat the title of the album in the headline of the track listing, especially a stylized, all-caps version of the title. This is just repeating information we already know. Unless you're differentiating a version of the album, it's best to leave this parameter out. Thank you. Ss112 01:47, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

What's with the track lengths...?

A few hours back, most of the track lengths were changed in this edit. The page is now semi-protected, so I can't do anything about it, but these track lengths don't seem to be the same as the iTunes page suggests - most of them seem to just have one or several minutes added to them.

For the record, I can't find a streaming service that agrees with these track lengths. If there is one, let me know, because right now it seems flat out incorrect. - IP user

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Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2019

Remove avant-pop from genres. 92.238.167.228 (talk) 11:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. It's sourced in the body of the article, and you haven't provided any further justification. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:20, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

"Songs" section

Is the section detailing the album track by track necessary? The content covered in this section is already covered in the "Music and lyrics" section.SiliconRed (talk) 03:18, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Hey. Yes, the "Music and lyrics" is about all of that from the album as whole, things found throughout the entire album. The track-by-track "Songs" section is about individual songs in there, but not particularly as part of a larger ensemble. This is used in GAs such as Pure Heroine or Melodrama (Lorde album), on which I based the edits when beginning these sections. Hope this answers your question. mike•owen ^discuss 21:04, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Why is the “songs” section split into two track groupings? I don’t think I’ve seen that on other pages. Aprude51 (talk) 18:33, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Recent revert

This is the revert [1]. The source says "no doubt inspired by her obsession with horror movies, as well as the album's themes of night terrors and lucid dreams." This has been changed to "likely" (not in the source).

"Moody" should not be quoted out of context. How about something like:

Photographer Kenneth Cappello said "I knew she wanted it moody. And I wanted it to feel real, obviously. I wanted it to feel like a door was opening and that was the light coming into the bedroom, like from another room. Kind of spotty. And that's not [post-production]; everything is lit in camera."

This quote contains important encyclopedic information about the photograph, so it would be better to include the full quote.

Dartslilly (talk) 20:27, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

@Dartslilly: Hey. I don't think that my use of "moody" was taking it out of context. If the Kenneth Cappello says "I knew she wanted it moody", that basically means that she was envisioning a "moody" end product, which is exactly what I said, but just rewording: in order to avoid a copyright violation, we shouldn't be using the exact same sentences from other articles, and I think the way I phrased everything was just fine. I don't think that the "likely" and "no doubt" is a big deal, but here is another source from staff (not user, since that would be an untrustworthy source) at Sputnikmusic who state the affirmative (it says "The cover art references Eilish’s frequent night terrors and lucid dreams"), so we can use it. I hope this is okay, and have a nice evening. mike•owen ^discuss 20:51, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

@MikeOwen: Ok, I agree with everything above except the reliability of Sputnikmusic for a statement about a Eilish's mental health. How about:

"The sketches were inspired by the album's themes of night terrors and lucid dreaming, as well as Eilish's interest in horror films. Cappello told MTV News that he "knew she wanted it moody". In order for it to "feel real," Cappello added no additional lighting to the end photo so as to give the impression that "a door was opening and that was the light coming into the bedroom."

Dartslilly (talk) 21:11, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

@Dartslilly: That's all fine with me, with just one few minor tweak: this bit "The sketches were inspired by" to "The singer had prepared sketches for the album cover which were inspired by" just to avoid bringing the sketches up from nowhere. Also, I would like to include the Sputnikmusic source just as 'reinforcement' for the claim that it was inspired by night terrors etc, since it is a reliable source (see WP:RSMUSIC). Have a great evening. mike•owen ^discuss 21:22, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

@Dartslilly: Just reworded the section. I hope it's fine. I need to get to bed. Good night. mike•owen ^discuss 21:43, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

All caps

Why are people suddenly saying that it's "trivial" to note that this album (and other albums) is stylized in all capital letters? It's been like this for a long time now, on many different articles of albums and songs by a variety of artists. There was no consensus on this. Also, when someone removed the all caps note, I reverted it which means it can't be added again until consensus is reached, and another user added it again. So, I will be reverting that. Share your opinions on this here before removing the note, as that is the way it was originally. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 20:10, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

The WP:BURDEN of proof is on the person who wants to put something in or keep something in. Removal is the default condition of a good-faith dispute in which the options are stay or remove.

In every article on every topic, things that are important to the topic are described in reliable sources. If you think all-caps is important to this topic, then prove it by way of citing a source that actually describes the stylization. That will go a long way toward proving your position. Binksternet (talk) 22:22, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Okay, these articles type the title in all caps, and the last one literally notes the stylization.

• The Crimson
• WIN 98.5
• Loyola Phoenix

Billiekhalidfan (talk) 22:38, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

The first two don't talk about stylization. Only the Loyola Phoenix does, but typically, we don't put much weight on college newspapers because the writers are not professional music critics. They are very low on the reliability scale. Binksternet (talk) 23:42, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

The first two literally have the title typed in all caps. Not to mention the fact that the song is written in all caps on literally every streaming service.

References

Wish You Were Gay

Why is there no mention of this song in the Songs section of this article? Every other track is mentioned. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 13:34, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for noticing that! mike•owen ^discuss 18:15, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Singles from When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go

Hello, I wanted to suggest an edit rather something an editor should look into as this section of the page needs an edit. It states that there are 6 singles from the album when there are actually 5 singles as I've tried listing them below (maybe someone can verify).

Wish you were gay was released as a promo single for the album which doesn't count as an official single. As a kind request, I suggest that someone looks into this section and makes some edits as there seems to be some misconception as to how many singles on the album from this page.

1. "You Should See Me in a Crown" Released: July 18, 2018 2. "When the Party's Over" Released: October 17, 2018 3. "Bury a Friend" Released: January 30, 2019 4. "Bad Guy" Released: March 29, 2019 5. "All the Good Girls Go to Hell" Released: August 30, 2019

• "Wish You Were Gay" Released: March 4, 2019 Fr108nk (talk) 22:36, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Having "pop" in the infobox seems redundant

Seeing as to how there are three well-sourced pop subgenres in the infobox already, is there any use in having plain "pop" in there with the rest of them? It seems like an empty, meaningless word at that point. Aria1561 (talk) 01:54, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Ilomilo

An article for ilomilo was created yesterday and explained more in detail on why the song was created and where it charted. Someone decided to delete it. I wanted ask everyone to see if it should be merged with the album or have its own article? Beatleswillneverdie (talk) 13:23, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support I'm sure there are plenty of articles that cover ilomilo (song) and discuss the importance of the song with the rest of the album. MunRis • †alk 14:26, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
• Merge. It's an unimportant album track that has not received coverage on its own merits. @MunRis: By all means, if you can find these mythical articles you are sure exist on "Ilomilo", do feel free to cite them. As far as I'm aware, it's only been talked about in album reviews. At least, in reliable sources. I'm sure trash pop blogs have written about it, but they'll write about anything. Ss112 20:56, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Should "8" have it's own article?

I was wondering if the song "8" should have it's own article. I already created one with details on what the song is about and how it charted in multiple countries. Beatleswillneverdie (talk) 17:23, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

No, it shouldn't. It's an unimportant album track that has not received coverage on its own merits. It's only been reported on in reliable sources in the context of the album. Ss112 20:56, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Marginally seems notable on its own. Keep as is. Buffs (talk) 18:41, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Co-production on "bad guy"

On the "WHEN WE ALL FALL ASLEEP, WHERE DO WE GO?" CD liner notes, Billie Eilish is credited as a co-producer on the track "bad guy". Should that be added to the tracklisting on the page? Dreeaams (talk) 01:04, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

isento (talk) 19:12, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Removal of "songwriter" from lead

@GodNey:, per my edit summary, we can discuss your issue with this content further here. Repeated reverting after an editor's edit has been challenged once is discouraged by WP:BRD to avoid an edit war. isento (talk) 19:11, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

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Aphiwe

A young girl who wants to be business woman she needs someone to look after a person who can be her role model to show her the way 41.115.122.194 (talk) 13:59, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Overly-long lists

Per this thread, critic lists tables should be trimmed. 10 publications was a recommended number. Because the table is long, and this article is supported by Billie's Wikiproyect, a member could help what publications should remains. Thanks, --Apoxyomenus (talk) 23:20, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Orphaned references in When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "wwsales":

• From Mariah Carey (album): Runtagh, Jordan (September 15, 2017). "Music's 30 Fiercest Feuds and Beefs". Rolling Stone. Archived from the original on October 19, 2017. Retrieved October 10, 2017.
• From The Bodyguard (soundtrack): The Bodyguard Soundtrack worldwide sales:
  • Kimberly, Nordyke (October 30, 2017). "American Music Awards: Christina Aguilera to Honor Whitney Houston With 'Bodyguard' Tribute". The Hollywood Reporter. Retrieved January 3, 2019.
  • Patrick, Ryan (November 9, 2017). "Exclusive: Whitney Houston's 'Bodyguard' turns 25 with never-before-seen performance". USA Today. Retrieved January 3, 2019.
  • Chuck, Crisafulli (May 15, 2017). "Deep 10: Whitney Houston's The Bodyguard — Original Soundtrack Album". Grammy. Retrieved January 3, 2019.
  • Zach, Johnson (October 30, 2017). "Christina Aguilera Will Honor Whitney Houston and The Bodyguard's 25th Anniversary at the 2017 AMAs". E! News. Retrieved January 3, 2019.
  • Bianca, Garwood (October 13, 2017). "Whitney Houston Estate to Reissue 'The Bodyguard' Soundtrack for 25th Anniversary". Ebony. Retrieved January 3, 2019.
• From Justin Bieber: Mackinley, Page (June 9, 2016). "Justin Bieber's Company Video Offers Blond Hair Porn, Tour Life, Emotions and More". INQUISITR. Retrieved July 24, 2016.
• From Good Girl Gone Bad: Copsey, Rob (June 1, 2017). "Rihanna celebrates the tenth anniversary of her breakthrough album Good Girl Gone Bad: 'I'm forever grateful'". Official Charts Company. Archived from the original on June 4, 2017. Retrieved June 1, 2017.
• From Lauryn Hill: "Song". People. Vol. 60. 2003. p. 120. Retrieved April 15, 2022.
• From Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814: Kreps, Daniel (September 20, 2019). "Janet Jackson Releases Massive 'Rhythm Nation 1814' Remix Collection". Rolling Stone. Archived from the original on September 20, 2019. Retrieved October 24, 2020.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 15:17, 28 January 2023 (UTC)