Talk:When You Believe/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Adabow (talk · contribs) 21:06, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

• some dead links

Background and recording

• What is All That Glitters?
• "Houston on the other hand was introduced" - commas after 'Houston' and 'hand'
• Write Babyface's full name
• My Love Is Your love - capital 'L' needed
• Link MTV
• "Carey made the following statement regarding "When You Believe" and working with Whitney Houston" - errm, no statement follows
• Link Vibe
• Doesn't the block quote need quote marks (I don't use them much, so I'm not sure)?
• "While the pair continued to express their positive feelings for one another, tabloid began writing the opposite." - tabloids

Lyrical content

• '"When You Believe" was featured in the film, The Prince of Egypt during' - comma after 'Egypt'
• Red Sea should be capitalised and linked
• 'God' should be linked the first time, not the second
• "The protagonists of this ballad recall tough times that have them questioning their faith: they have prayed for many nights to God but those prayers seem to remain unanswered, and they wonder if they are wasting their time. Nevertheless, they realize that although times may be difficult, "there can be miracles when you believe" in God." - source?

"This became one of the many reasons both singers were so reluctant to be part of the project, as *they felt spreading faith in God was an important and honorable aspect of their career." - why would that make them reluctant?

Composition

• Pretty good here. I reduced the audio sample
• It might be noted that this song is largely an amalgam of two very old tunes, "The Old Refrain" and "There is a Happy Land, Far, Far, Away." Fritz Kreisler was recorded as the author of "The Old Refrain" but claimed it was a "Viennese popular song." (But then, Kreisler hid his authorship of many of his other works, so this could be another such case.) Another blogger on another site already noted the similarity of the "bridge" in Hebrew of "When You Believe" to "There is a Happy Land, Far, Far, Away." If you want aural evidence, the Library of Congress's "National Jukebox" has recordings of both "The Old Refrain" and "There is a Happy Land, Far, Far, Away." Or, for the latter work, you can watch "Arsenic and Old Lace" or "The King and I." Perhaps someone could ask Stephen Schwartz about the similarity. With "Pippin" in revival and both the precursor songs long out of copyright, he has nothing to lose by fessing up.Just old me ([[User talk:Just old me|talk]]) 13:51, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Critical and commercial reception

• Why not simply rename 'Reception'?
• Steve Jones' quote is unsourced here. You mention how he says it crosses all genres just above. Why not include how he called it "soaring" or something...?
• The Oprah Winfrey Show should be italicised
• Can you say which Academy Awards (ie what year), and link to the specific ceremony?
• "It peaked at number fifteen on the Hot 100 and three" - number three
• "In New Zealand, it performed well" - remove "it performed well" as this is WP:OR
• "In Belgium Flanders"/"In Belgium Wallonia" - Flanders and Wallonia are territories of Belgium; reword
• "however only spending one week in the chart." → "however, it only spent one week in the chart"
• "In Norway, "When You Believe" entered at number three on the Norway Singles Chart" 'Noway Singles Chart' → VG-lista
• '"When You Believe" experienced strong success in the United Kingdom.' - OR
• "Sales of the song in the UK are estimated at over 265,000 units" - as of when?

Music videos

• Link music video]
• "performing her the second bridge and chorus" - remove 'her'
• "The video's is set" → "The video is set"
• "to emulate a concert like setting" - hyphen between 'concert' and 'like'
• "Occasionally, home video clips of Carey and Houston appear throughout the video, including clips of the final moments of the film" - makes it sound like clips of the film are home videos of Carey and Houston
• "large stone alter" 'alter' → 'altar'
• Where are the directors?
• Can you source anything else, especially the similarities?

Controversies

• "Originally, Schwartz composed "When You Believe", the version that was featured in the film, sang by Tzipporah (Sally Dworsky)." - rewrite
• Who is "Edmonds"?
• "Conti, the academy's musical arranger, composed a new version, which intermingled both version in order to satisfy the academy, and help the duo in learning the song." - rewrite
• The first paragraph seems like it would fit in the background section better, while the second paragraph can go in the 'Live performances' section

Live performances

• "Houston commented on the confusing change "Is it okay to do it as they originally had it?"" - umm, what?

Charts

• Rename 'Charts and certifications', which the first sub-section called 'Charts' or 'Peak chart positions'
• Songs in Norway are certified by the IFPI

Leon Jackson version

• "his is unusual as most new singles are released on a Monday to gain maximum sales for the UK Singles Chart the following Sunday, although the previous two X Factor winners have had their singles released in this fashion, in order for them to compete to be the Christmas number-one single, which they all became" - too long
• "A video for the single was made by the final four of the series" - did they do the video as a group, or were there four versions?
• "despite being the fastest selling of 2007" - source?
• "On December 23, 2007, it debuted at number one on the UK Singles Chart, making it the coveted Christmas number one with sales of over 275,000 copies,[51] and stayed at number one for three weeks until it fell down to number five on its fourth week and then fell another ten places to number fifteen in its fifth week" - break up with commas and/or full stops
• Can you {{col-2}} the chart tables?

Summary

That's about it. Ping me when you're done. Adabow (talk · contribs) 21:55, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

• • All done I think :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:37, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

• I still have issues with the Belgian wording. How about 'In Belgium, it reached number five on the Flanders Ultratop 50, and peaked at number four and spent twenty weeks on the Wallonian Ultratop 40.'? Adabow (talk · contribs) 22:48, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
• Steve Jones still has his quote repeated, and there are still two dead links. Nearly there! Adabow (talk · contribs) 22:54, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
• Oh yeah, I forgot: who is Conti? Adabow (talk · contribs) 22:55, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

• OK, I'll pass now, but can you mention Conti's first name? Adabow (talk · contribs) 23:40, 8 December 2010 (UTC)