Talk:When the going gets tough, the tough get going/Archive 1

Archive 1

Correct meaning

Currently, there are two (polar opposite) definitions offered by this article. I interpreted it to mean the second way (when the going gets hard, those who promote themselves as being "tough" will leave). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.69.86 (talk) 10:44, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

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When the going gets tough, the tough get going

When the going gets tough, the tough get going Meaning: When a situation is difficult or dangerous, strong people work harder to resolve the problem. This saying relies on a difficult play on words; it could be rephrased word-for-word as: "When the situation becomes hard, strong people start working."

Note: the going (noun): the situation; the ground; the environment | tough (adj.): difficult, hard | the tough (noun): tough people; hard, strong people | to get going (verb): start; go

Origin: This saying is attributed both to Joseph P. Kennedy (1888-1969), father of the USA President John F. Kennedy, and to Norwegian-born American football player and coach Knute Rockne (1888-1931).

Variety: This is typically used in American English but may be used in other varieties of English too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.54.59.134 (talk) 10:50, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, this cleary needs to be changed. It is sourced to the Kennedys many times. Somebody clean it up please.

I provided a bit of background for the meaning of the phrase and its origins, corrected the misattribution to Joan W. Donaldson, and separated content into distinct categories for the proverb and the song. It could benefit from further expansion. Not sure if we have enough content on the phrase to justify separate pages for the phrase and the song, though that seems like the right solution. Further reworking welcome. JoomTory (talk) 05:46, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

24.59.126.203 (talk) 00:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Where's the proof that either Rockne or Kennedy coined the phrase? A link to a website that says they are attributed with the phrase doesn't seem to cut it. A newspaper quote, a book quote? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.16.144 (talk) 02:41, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Source collection

• [1] The phrase uses antimetabole. Ryan Vesey 13:21, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
• [2] page 197, incorporates generalization

untitled

who wrote that bizarre, spergy, unsourced analysis of the proverb. "derr i'll just pretend I don't get what this means hur dur, everyone will be interested in reading that. now to go back to tvtropes" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3BD8:5E30:EC6C:68FA:1CE8:C62F (talk) 19:42, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

unreliable source

I don't believe answers.com can be thought as a reliable source as anyone can write any answer there. Yashovardhan (talk) 04:18, 3 April 2017 (UTC)