Talk:Where's My Mind Tour/GA2

GA Review

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Reviewer: Bilorv (talk · contribs) 00:27, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Initial comments

I'm afraid this article looks quite far away from GA standard, for reasons of length. It is possible that it could be brought up to GA quality in 7 days, I think, so I will give the nominator a chance. Randomly sampling from Category:GA-Class concert articles, some such articles were passed several years ago and are not quite what I would expect from GA quality, but the majority are good quality and serve as useful examples. Here are the things I want to know from this tour article that I do not see (or want to see more of):

• A brief introduction to Eilish's previous tour and the production, style and release of the album which this tour is based around.
• More synopsis details (in its own section) – stage setup, lighting and costumes, any other performers onstage, choreography, anything Eilish said between songs, warmup acts.
• Ideally some free images of Eilish performing during the tour, or at least a couple of the locations in which she performed.
• More reception information (in its own section) – choices of quotes that highlight key aspects of the show, such as Eilish's vocal quality, the setlist choices made, choreography, anything different to the song's studio recordings. Some of the quotes included already are appropriate but take everybody who knows good music knows [Eilish's] name – and those who don’t are bound to discover it very soon because it is evident she is set on a path to worldwide stardom – I learn nothing about the tour performance from this that I didn't learn from the earlier part of the sentence, Nicole Almeida of Atwood Magazine praised the show.
• Any comments by Eilish that were reported in the media, such as interviews which focused on the stage tour or meaningful comments she made (beyond social media posts of the style "I love you Stockholm! Great gig!") that made the news.
• More secondary sources to back up information already there, like another setlist source (even if it's slightly different), or any coverage in national newspapers or magazines that's not already included.

As a small point, the description of Eilish's performance e.g. "would start" should, I think, be replaced with the past tense ("started") as a simpler and less jarring way to describe a past event.

Let me know if you have any questions about these comments! We're now  On hold for seven days and if the article is still far from being a GA in a week then improvement can continue outside of the GA process. — Bilorv (talk) 00:27, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Come back to add that I have just now seen the previous GA review was only a week ago and no improvements have been made since. I will leave this review up and hope that the nominator is ready to engage with constructive criticism this time, but I do endorse the comments made in the previous review and think I independently touched upon a lot of the same issues in my initial comments. GA is not a place for rubberstamping, but to hear hard advice which is hard to address, but makes you a better editor and the articles you've been working on much better for it. — Bilorv (talk) 00:33, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Comment

I found three reviews of the show. Two are students newspapers from collages, not sure if they are the most reliable sources, Black Cat and Washinghton, I will let the nominator and reviewer decide that. Another review from The Line of the best fit London. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:01, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment! Student newspapers are not appropriate, no, but Line of Best Fit is a good source that can be used to improve the article. — Bilorv (talk) 16:16, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

You are welcome. Some are, such as the Harvard Crimson. Student Media; "They can sometimes be considered reliable on other topics, although professional sources are typically preferred when available". MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:17, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, sorry, I have read that before but misremembered. My understanding is that they would have to demonstrate strong editorial, corrections and ethics policies, and the majority of student news doesn't. American student newspapers is a bit out of my realm of knowledge but maybe there's an argument to be made for these particular two—I wouldn't know. — Bilorv (talk) 20:08, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Like I said, I don't know these two and I didn't went into a deep read. So it is up to both of you, I'm just a third party here. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:04, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Bilorv and MarioSoulTruthFan, the article should be deleted. There are almost no reliable sources for this tour. The Ultimate Boss (talk) 08:52, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Bilorv, if the article is far from GA, then go ahead and fail it, I don't care. There are no reliable sources to provide for the article anyway. And apologies, I don't know what you mean by "rubberstumping". I have never heard of that word. And I'm pretty sure Americans (I am an American) don't say it. The Ultimate Boss (talk) 08:54, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Alrighty, that's a fail for GA. You are welcome to nominate the article for deletion if you wish. "Rubber stamp" is an idiom for "approving without scrutiny". — Bilorv (talk) 11:19, 25 October 2020 (UTC)