Talk:White Dog (Gary novel)/GA1

GA Review

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I will review this article. Cirt (talk) 11:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Image review

One image used: File:Chien Blanc, Original Cover.jpg I formatted the image page a bit and expanded upon the fair use rationale. Cirt (talk) 12:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Stability review

• Article edit history going back over a couple months shows no issues/conflicts.
• Article talk page shows nice positive collaboration, no issues there either. Cirt (talk) 12:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Good article nomination on hold

This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of April 20, 2009, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?:

2. Factually accurate?: Not sure the cite to Amazon.com is necessary in the Publication history subsection when other better cites exist for this info already.

3. Broad in coverage?: The Film adaptation subsection is larger than both the Themes and Reception subsections.

Themes and Reception should be expanded a bit more - there is most likely enough info out there in additional WP:RS sources to double the size of these sections. The Themes subsection at present only utilizes one source, and the Reception subsection six. In an article about the novel itself, the subsection about the film adaptation should not be the largest subsection in the entire article.

4. Neutral point of view?:

5. Article stability?

6. Images?:

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. Cirt (talk) 12:02, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there isn't that much more out there, at least in English. I don't read French, and the translators puke on the one other source I found that might have some thematic discussion. For reviews, I've pretty much found every English one that I could, and French ones are, again, difficult to find as its not a language I'm familiar with. I have searched some, of course, but ones I found that I thought were reviews turned out not to be. Any suggestions for how to address this other than cutting the adaptation section to be shorter than the other two? The Amazon link has been removed.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 14:00, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

No, don't trim down other sections - just expand the ones I mentioned above with additional WP:RS sources. Here are some places to look: books, news archives, academic sources. Did you try Lexis Nexis? Newsbank? Infotrac? Publishers Weekly? Library Journal? Kirkus Reviews? Cirt (talk) 15:02, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, looked through all of those that I could view on the Google books and have hit all the journal search engines using A&M's library system. Will try again, just to be sure.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:16, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

These sources are not yet used in the article [1], [2], [3], leading me to believe other potential sources have also not yet been used. Sometimes if a pageview or article is not available on the Internet, it is really worthwhile to do some extra work at the library and request the actual books for research (and journals in microfiche). Cirt (talk) 16:23, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I saw the first source, but wasn't sure what use it would be to go into such detail over his attacks on Brando beyond a summary. If you think the example would help, I can added it. I didn't use the second since it basically just resumes the plot. The third, I hadn't seen. Will try to request the relevant pages via deliverEdocs. As a side note, I have done lots of work via the library for this and many other articles, including having book chapters pulled from other libraries, journal article requests, etc. But much was either not usable here (about the film) or in French (can't read). -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:58, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Found these two sources in a search of Newsbank:

• Seymenliyska, Elena (January 1, 2004). "The Guardian: Saturday Review: Paperbacks: Fiction - White Dog, by Romain Gary (Chicago, pounds 11.50)". The Guardian. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
• Smith, J.Y. (December 3, 1980). "Novelist Romain Gary Dies of Self-Inflicted Gunshot Wound". The Washington Post. p. C5.

This leads me to believe there are yet still more sources not incorporated in this article. Have you tried asking a reference librarian for help at the local library? Cirt (talk) 17:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

No, I haven't. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, well I would strongly recommend doing that as well, as it looks like there are probably a good deal additional sources not yet used in the article that could be incorporated to expand upon the Themes and Reception subsections. Reference librarians are often quite knowledgeable and helpful with research, and usually more than happy to help out. Cirt (talk) 19:32, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Not GA at this time

Unfortunately, points I had raised above were not addressed. I would suggest a peer review first, but if these above issues have been addressed, feel free to try again for WP:GAN. Cirt (talk) 06:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)