Talk:White devil

Use as racist term in the US

Please dont add its usage among some african american groups, as we dont have a section or article on WP for this use yet, and WP is not a compendium of all slang terms. If you write such an article, by all means link to it. this is not to be polite, just to make sure our disambig pages link to actual articles and are not themselves articles.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 01:14, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Someone asked for a citation for the claim that the Nation of Islam and other black nationalist or black supremacist religions or groups use the term "white devils"

Alex Gillespie notes, "While Elijah Muhammad taught that Allah would punish the 'white devil' in due course, Malcolm X was impatient."

See also State v. Beavers, 394 So. 2d 1218 - La: Supreme Court 1981:

Maurice Cockerham, a television news editor, testified that he heard Upton speaking to a gathering crowd from the roof of a Cadillac which had been used to block North Boulevard. According to this witness, Upton referred to whites as white devils and as serpents and made several references to killing whites which Upton said was required by their teachings. Upton also told the crowd, "We have come here today to meet the white devil and kill him." He then turned and pointed at Cockerham and two other newsmen (including Johnson) saying, "There are three of the white devils here today, but there will be more later." In Cockerham's account, these remarks were made at approximately 12:30 P.M. Shortly thereafter, the newsmen attempted to leave the scene, but their path was blocked by one of the Muslims. As the three continued their efforts to get away, they were set upon by the crowd, and Johnson, who was unable to escape, was severely beaten. After departing the scene, Cockerham contacted the police whose arrival minutes later led to the violent confrontation which resulted in five deaths.

See also US v. Beasley, 72 F. 3d 1518 - Court of Appeals, 11th Circuit 1996:

As Yahweh's power and influence continued to grow, his teachings became black supremacist and violently racist. Yahweh prophesied war between the black and white races and called "white America" a country cursed by God Yahweh and harboring God's enemies. Yahweh taught that one day, his group would chase white men, whom he referred to as "white devils," from the face of the earth by killing them. Yahweh referred to God Yahweh as a "Terrible Black God" of war and violence and taught that death to his enemies would be at the hand of his "death angels." At Yahweh's direction, many murders and attempted murders in the Miami area occurred. One of the most violent members of the group, Robert Rozier ("Rozier"), testified at trial that an ultra-secret group called the "Brotherhood" was established within the cult. This group was to perform any task that Yahweh directed, including murder. Yahweh conducted separate meetings for Brotherhood members, which were to be kept secret under penalty of death. Among those present at Brotherhood meetings were Rozier and defendants Dexter Grant, Pace, Beasley, Ingraham, Maurice Woodside, James, Yahweh, and sometimes Gaines. To become a member of the Brotherhood, one had to kill a white person and bring proof of the kill to Yahweh in the form of a head, an ear, or some other body part. Between April and October 1986, Yahweh sent his death angels into the Miami community on multiple occasions to kill white people randomly and to commit acts of retribution against blacks who interfered with the Yahwehs' sales of products and collection of donations. Yahweh also directed the killings of white people as retribution for 400 years of oppression and for specific acts of alleged police brutality against blacks occurring at the time.

Kori Muhammad allegedly perpetrated the 2017 Fresno shootings after singing, "I'm a black power rebel, fuck a white devil." Malcolm X's autobiography quotes his brother, Reginald Little, as saying, "You don't even know, the white devil has hidden it from you, that you are a race of people of ancient civilizations, and riches in gold and kings."

References

Зенитная Самоходная Установка (talk) 20:24, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

@Calton:, this is a disambiguation page, not an article

Do we ever have references on disambiguation pages? Also, do you have any objection to the mention of the Nation of Islam being on the disambiguation page, or are you just trying to make sure it's properly referenced?

I mean, if you think there's some reason why it's inappropriate to include, e.g. that we just don't document racially inflammatory terms on disambiguation pages, I'm open to hearing it. Thanks, Зенитная Самоходная Установка (talk) 23:06, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

this is a disambiguation page, not an article

That's nice. Is there something being disambiguated? What's the target article for the term which has some significant discussion?

I mean, if you think there's some reason why it's inappropriate to include

Wrong. You need to provide a reason for it being here, and "some people have used the term" doesn't cut it.

... e.g. that we just don't document racially inflammatory terms on disambiguation pages

You could also knock off the "inventing of bogus rationales to argue against" while you're at it. --Calton | Talk 00:02, 10 November 2019 (UTC)