Talk:Who Are You? (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)

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If Eliza guest stars as Buffy does Sarah technically guest star as Faith!? Britmax 22:12, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

No because SSMG is a 'regular' on the show, therefore no matter what character she plays (Buffybot, First Evil, Faith..) she is not guest starring as that character. -- Paxomen 19:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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Title: Who Are You/Who Are You?

Is there a reason that the title of this page leaves out the question mark in the title of the episode? Shouldn't this page be moved to Who Are You? (Buffy episode)? --Jayunderscorezero (talk) 15:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the episode title doesn't include a question mark. I believe the "Who Are You" script is on the Season Four DVDs, so that'd be the place to check. --Nalvage (talk) 15:22, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

As with the similarly confusing "Lovers Walk", the DVD menus do alternate on this one (apparently no-one proofreads those things), but yes, you're right, the actual script does not include the question mark. --Jayunderscorezero (talk) 16:55, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it absolutely requires a question mark. "Lovers Walk" is grammatically correct either way, but "Who Are You" is a question, not a statement. Writers make mistakes all the time, and these are fixed later in editorial before publishing (ideally). Punctuation especially can be omitted from titles during production, perhaps because question marks confuse software, and as there is no title card shown on screen, no need to take care with this, it's just a label not seen by the viewers. So in my personal canon, it's "Who Are You?". And this seems to be a fairly common decision by careful writers, see eg this essay at Slayage. Barsoomian (talk) 05:27, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

This isn't a question of grammar, but of what the episode was officially titled, and in the original script, as stated above, and on the DVD box sets, the title does NOT include the question mark. kingdom2 (talk) 17:33, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

What is "official" is not obvious, and the script is not definitive, it's not meant for publication. The work itself is a video, not a script. Titles often change from the "working title" used on the script, up to the date of broadcast. There is no title on the filmed episode, which would be the only place it could be "official". And it is NOT constant on box sets. Some do have the question mark, in fact ALL the ones I could find images of do -- see image link at end. And the translated titles (Spanish, German, Italian) all DO have question marks, so apparently someone was paying more attention there. The reason I raised the point of grammar is that there is NO SIGNIFICANCE in omitting the question mark deliberately, it has no meaning, it's just a typo. Which means its omission on SOME (not all) media is an error. I won't start an edit war about this but I'm sure the "official" title has a question mark, unless Joss Himself has said otherwise. For corroboration: here's some scans of "Official" DVD covers, they both use "Who Are You?". In four places I can see on the Australian one and twice on the American release. So how is this not "official"? Barsoomian (talk) 08:34, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

partially reverting a Tara fan

I'm going to remove some recent additions:

• When confronted and feeling attacked or embarrassed, Tara seems to stutter. Which she eventually grows out of as her relationship with Willow grows and she becomes stronger as a person.

Seems? — This belongs in Tara's article, not here.

• Tara and Willow's spell to find Buffy in the nether realm is used as a metaphor for their first sexual experience. This shows the first of many times Tara sees more than meets the eye when it comes to the Scooby Gang's problems.

These two sentences do not belong together.

• Faith (in Buffy's body) sleeps with Riley which further complicates Buffy's relationship with him. Also, the fact that someone who only knows Buffy by word of mouth, like Tara, can figure out yes by magic assist, that Buffy isn't herself. Shows that Riley in turn really doesn't know Buffy at all.

Tara says Faith's aura is "fragmented"; that says nothing about her knowledge of Buffy. If Buffy behaves oddly sometimes, how shocked should Riley be? —Tamfang (talk) 17:07, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Good edits. Thanks. Dmforcier (talk)

Faith vs. Riley

There is something important missing from this article: the importance - to Faith - of Faith's night with Riley. Real love is new to her. Faith's experience of a loving relationship shakes her to her core. She realizes just what her life choices have really cost her, and this sets up the whole Faith redemption story.

Now, how to put this into the article? As I understand it the Wikipedia guidelines are such that just inserting it would be tantamount to inserting "original research". Suggestions? Dmforcier (talk) 01:33, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Actually, this is addressed by both Marti Noxon and Joss in the Season 4 Overview video (which I think is included on the DVD release). I'll try to come up with an edit. Dmforcier (talk)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Who Are You? (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Bennv123 (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 18:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Not much left, Bennv123. Just some copy tweaks. Really, really well done. The philosophical sourcing is a wonderful departure, and it clearly seems this episode left more than its mark on the series. Ping me when ready. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:37, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Did you know? If you fancy doing so, I always have plenty of GA nominees to review. Just look for the all-uppercase titles in the Television section. Reviews always appreciated.

Copy changes

• Lots of WP:CINS commas to remove, starting with the lead:
  • "Who Are You?" is the second half of a two-part story arc featuring the return of the rogue Slayer Faith (Eliza Dushku), and is a turning point in the character's redemptive arc.

 Done

• • In Buffy's body, Faith experiences love and acceptance from others, and realizes how unhappy her own life is.

 Done

• Remove the colon in Whedon used the phrase: "Because it's wrong", said by Faith mockingly at first but with full conviction by the end, to convey her psychological transformation. This recurs later.

 Done Removed both instances of colons before the phrase.

• Riley insists on being gentle with her and they have sex. Add comma after "her"

 Done

• Giles' house Should be "Giles's" per MOS:'S

 Done Also fixed another instance in the "Reception" section (Jack Francis's)

• To prepare for the swapped roles, producer Doug Petrie said the script gave both actresses a lot of direction, but that Gellar and Dushku also studied each other's mannerisms and brought their own interpretations to the screen. This sentence is a little awkward. Maybe To prepare for the swapped roles, producer Doug Petrie said the script gave both actresses a lot of direction, but Gellar and Dushku also studied each other's mannerisms and brought their own interpretations to the screen.

 Done

• For this episode, Whedon wanted to explore what would happen if an embittered person like Faith was given the opportunity to ruin her nemesis Buffy's life, but instead found her own self-concept shattered through the experience of being Buffy. Remove second comma (CinS)

 Done

• Philosophy professor Dean Kowalski and Forster both draw parallels to the thought experiment put forth in book two of Plato's Republic, which asks if it is more desirable to live as a moral person who is mistaken for an immoral one (as with Buffy-as-Faith), or an immoral person who is mistaken for a moral one (Faith-as-Buffy). Remove the last comma.

 Done

• In Buffy's body, Faith spends significant time inspecting Buffy's appearance in a mirror, and also changes her hairstyle and dresses her in darker and more revealing clothes. Remove comma (CinS)

 Done

• which is emphasized in the mirror scene through the use of jump cuts, and later alluded to by Tara's description of "Buffy"'s aura as "fragmented" Remove comma (CinS)

 Done

• or Mammano, the acting was commendable for the most part but there were some out-of-character moments that were very jarring Add comma after "part"

 Done

• BBC Cult TV's Kim took the episode as confirmation that Willow and Tara were in a same-sex relationship, and liked how the show handled their romance in a nonchalant manner, neither baiting controversy nor being too "PC". Remove first comma (CinS)

 Done

Sourcing and spot checks

• 15: The weight of the shift in "Because it's wrong" and the "You're nothing! You're disgusting!" scene are both handled here. No issues. Y
• 22: Schudt's "basic moral truth" line and "Nietzschean shell" check out here. Y
• 23: Offline source. Instead doing
  • 14: Doug Petrie: I think in these two episodes, the writing and the acting are so thoroughly blended that it's impossible to separate one from the other. They were given a lot on the page but then both actresses created so much. You just can't script every mannerism. They studied one another and it's funny. David Fury was jokingly suggesting that the two-parter should have been called Faith Off. (laughs) Y
• 28: Look of the Other and the view of us as others see us. Y
• 34: Everything checks out here. Y

Images

There are three images. One is an NFUR screencap of the mirror scene, which is discussed with critical commentary in the article and obviously irreplaceable with a free image. Freely licensed images of the actresses also clear. And there's even alt text. Love to see it.

• @Sammi Brie: Thanks for taking on this review. I'll wait for your initial review to be done before implementing any changes so as to avoid edit conflicts. Let me know if you need help accessing any of the cited sources. Bennv123 (talk) 00:25, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
  • @Sammi Brie: I think I've addressed all the issues you've brought up. Let me know if there's anything else. Thanks for the thorough review. Bennv123 (talk) 01:36, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 20:39, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that the Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode "Who Are You?" features a body swap storyline in which actresses Sarah Michelle Gellar and Eliza Dushku play each other's characters? Source: The Guardian: "... and this body-switch saga showed Sarah Michelle Gellar and Eliza Dushku acting their socks off as each other’s character."
  • ALT1: ... that the Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode "Who Are You?" features a body swap storyline that academics compared to a thought experiment from Plato's Republic? Source: "Faith And Plato" by Greg Forster (pp 15–16) and "Joss Whedon as Philosopher" by Dean Kowalski (p 37)
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Arithmetic

Improved to Good Article status by Bennv123 (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 17 past nominations.

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Bennv123 (talk) 12:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC).

• Will give my review here. ‍  Elias 🪐  (dreaming of Saturn; talk here) 03:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
  • I see that ScreenRant is cited here; I note that this source is considered marginally reliable by WP:RSP, but given we're working with DYK/GA standards and an entertainment-related article, I'll let it pass. No online copyvio issues. Spotchecked 11, 14, 32, 36, and 41, finding no issues. Sufficiently sourced and will AGF about offline sources. Preference for ALT1, although you can just pipe it to "...that a Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode features a scene..." to make the hook more streamlined. ‍  Elias 🪐  (dreaming of Saturn; talk here) 04:57, 26 March 2024 (UTC)