Talk:Wicked (musical)

Cast List...

I'm here to start probably the... ninth conversation about the damn cast list. The "notable replacements" list is getting long and out of hand. My suggestion is to limit the replacements to Broadway. This could possibly help the list a bit. QueerFilmNerd^talk 07:15, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

I could support it being cut down, but not to the exclusion of West End replacements.Mark E (talk) 16:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

In that case, I'd suggest we split the lists under separate headings (similar to how Phantom of the Opera does it). I'm okay with Broadway & West End, but not the tours or Chicago. QueerFilmNerd^talk 19:04, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Les Mis does it splitting Broadway and West End under different headings. Tours and other major cities are not included. RaCJ1325 (talk) 16:41, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

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GA concerns

I am concerned that this article no longer meets the good article criteria. Some of my concerns are listed below:

• There is uncited text in the article, including entire paragraphs about the musical's closure during the 2020 COVID pandemic.
• At almost 10,000 words, WP:TOOBIG states that the article probably should be reduced. Should some of this information be removed, spun out, or summarised more effectively?
• Per WP:BROADWAYWORLD, Broadway World is generally unreliable. These citations should be replaced or removed.

Is anyone willing to address these concerns, or should this article go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 01:23, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

Wicked (musical)

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Result: Kept. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

There are uncited sections, particularily about the production's history during COVID-19 restrictions. The "Movie" section has large blockquotes which should be summarised instead due to copyright concerns. The article also has over 10,000 words of prose, which WP:TOOBIG states should probably be spun-out or reduced. BroadwayWorld is used as a citation numerous times, which WP:RS/P states is an unreliable source. Z1720 (talk) 02:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree that Wicked needs a lot of clean-up, and streamlining, but, as I pointed out to Z1720 elsewhere, while WP:RS/P states that BroadwayWorld is not a reliable source "for biographies of living persons", it is a standard source for use in musicals for basic production information like production dates and casts (though Playbill, IBDB, etc. would be preferred). -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree with the above and, looking at the article might I suggest to remove from the cast list the "second US tour" and "second UK tour" casts columns? Although I know it's important to know all casts of Wicked, it has now been 20 years of this production, so removing these columns might leave space for productions where Wicked has never been staged, for example? Musicalge3k5 (talk) 16:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

The cast tables should contain only the original production and long-running, major market productions. The Productions section should name the stars and notable players in all the noteworthy productions (subject to WP:DUE). Alternatively, we could use the more efficient cast table method used in Carousel, a featured article. In any case, every person named in the cast table should first be named in the Productions section together with a WP:RS verifying that the person actually played the role. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:24, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

@Ssilvers and Musicalge3k5: do you intend to continue working on the article? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I would love to help more, if I can. I am a big Wicked fan, so anything to share with others. :) Is there anything specific I should be working on? Musicalge3k5 (talk) 14:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Musicalge: you can go through it and make sure that all the assertions are cited, and that any text that does not belong in an encyclopedia is trimmed. Wicked is not a priority of my own; I am just watching it to make sure that people do not add even more fancruft to this very crufty article. In the productions section, all the major, long-running productions should name the director, choreographer, principal cast, notable designers, opening and closing dates, all with appropriate references, and if there was something special about the production that the reviews mentioned, describe it, citing those reviews. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Musicalge3k5, do you intend to keep going with the above? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

hi there, I made quite a bit of changes here and there on the article. Happy to keep going though, are there any sections in particular that need looking at? :) Musicalge3k5 (talk) 16:04, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Los Angeles, Melbourne and Mexico City should also come out of the casts table, as long as the notable players are named in the productions section, with appropriate refs. User:Z1720, what else do you think needs to be done? -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ssilvers: Sorry for the late response, I missed the ping. There is still some uncited prose in the article, which I have indicated with citation needed tags. Z1720 (talk) 19:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

The uncited prose has been removed Z1720 ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Keep while still a little long (9,600 words) the unreferenced prose has been removed so it should be fine now. BroadwaysWorld seems to be used for appropriate reasons. Z1720 (talk) 15:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Fabi Bang picture

The picture of Fabi looks photoshopped because her wand is not straight. Are photoshopped pictures allowed? 71.178.161.168 (talk) 16:29, 13 November 2024 (UTC)