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Weight loss

Reuters article on weight loss from playing the Wii [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by VTNC (talk • contribs) 07:07, 7 April 2007 (UTC).

What is the point in posting this? Just64helpin 15:38, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

The very nature of the console is more physically demanding than conventional game consoles, so it has some basis as proof that the console really is like exercise JayKeaton 10:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

So... Are you suggesting that the information be added to the Wii article? Just64helpin 18:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand the confusion. Isn't that the implication of presenting a source related to the subject on its talk page? Leebo ^T/C 15:59, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

But... isn't there a need for, say, "reliability" here? A single person's experience can not be considered indicative of any trend. Now, if you have a study proving the connection, then that could be different. But a fluff piece about a single person's statement? That's just too unreliable to include. Bladestorm 16:15, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

A study you say? Funny you should say that ... [2] ... Tim (Xevious) 12:28, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I saw on that American MSNBC Today Show, a manager of a gym said he has started Wii fitness classes. It's amazing, we even get Letterman here in Australia JayKeaton 15:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that if people take the idea of using the Wii as a weight loss system to far people will forget what it is really for...pure video game entertainment. Will253 8:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Wii photos

Can we get a new picture of the box? The lighting isn't that great in the shot, and it is hard to distinguish the features of the box. Thanks --ASDFGHJKL=Greatest Person Ever+Coolest Person Ever 00:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Not sure which picture you're looking at. The picture of the Wii boxes shows all but the top and bottom sides, and its clear that there are pictures of the Wii, Wii Remote, and a person holding the Wii Remote. Not much more detail is needed. Sure, it's a little dim and there's a bit of glare, but the features are still distinguishable.--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 21:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the shot of the Wii with the side flap open needs a retake moreso. There's a fair amount of glare, and the overall lighting is pretty bad. Slydevil 00:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the picture with the side flap open could be better. But I think all the other pictures are just fine. Bladestorm 00:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I replaced the side flap photo with one that has less glare, though the lighting is the same. Just64helpin 15:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the box picture could be better. It looks like it could be a picture from the camera of a mobile phone. Do we even need a picture of the box there? That section doesn't mention the box. Perhaps a picture of a Wii console next to a DVD case to go along with the comparison of the size of a Wii to DVD cases, or maybe it should contain a photo of Wii console next to a ruler as recommended by Template:NoCoins. Jecowa 00:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I doubt it will be to useful for exercise.--74.96.245.108 00:03, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

There still seems to be a lot of confusion over what you actually get, in terms of games and controllers when you purchase a Wii console. I wrote an article detailing exactly what was included in the Nintendo Wii console box and published this article on my website. As well as some detailed text information this article also includes box shots of the top and bottom trays and a single photo showing every component that's in the box. I think it would be useful to include a link to this page ( [3] ).--iplanet77 12:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Prepare for the storm

Just to give you all a heads up, this will be tomorrow's featured article of the day. This page gets a lot of vandalism as it is, I can't imagine how much will happen to it tomorrow. --LuigiManiac 00:43, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

also it's been un Semi-Protected so this page can be edited by annons also. It is usually policy no to protect the FA of the day, so no one should try requesting protection tomorrow. Just keep this page open and watch for vandalism all tomorrow. The Placebo Effect 00:47, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of tomorrows feature, I notice that this page only has one clear shot of the actual console itself. It would be good if we could add another one from a different angle or without the base or laying on its side. Particulary one that will show the blue light glowing, if at all possible JayKeaton 02:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC) The Wii finally gets what it deserves on Wikipedia.Infraredeclipse 00:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Feature Article today!

Though it's sort of odd to see a subject that's only been out for several months --I mean, at least other video game-related FAs could put things in a longer term context... Regardless, FTW ;-) --Bobak 00:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

The only bad thing (and this applies to EVERY article that is "Today's Featured Article") is that vandalism shot up. Still nice to know that an article I helped work on is featured on the front page of WP. TJ Spyke 00:59, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

When I learned yesterday that this was today's featured article, I was quite surprised. I had no idea it was even a featured article! *voice of SSB announcer* CONGRATULATIONS! --LuigiManiac 01:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I beat Ganon in Zelda: Ocarina of Time today (on VC)! Weird. — Malcolm^{Use the schwartz!} 01:33, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Congradulations! --68.193.242.160 02:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Someone put (This is a console for faggots!) in but I removed it169.229.112.131 03:20, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, Lord... a console article being featured... let the vandalism begin.--Surfaced 03:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Look at the edit history, it already has. We've seen more vandalism in the last 6 hours then we had in the last month. The one bad thing about being TFA is that it had to be unprotected, allowing all these IP vandals. TJ Spyke 03:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

That's the price you have to pay for featured status. With fame comes paparazzis and critics. =P. For The Wiin. Berserkerz Crit 08:38, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Upon viewing the article, I noticed that the intro was repeated twice. Doesn't look like something a vandal would do, but I'm surprised the FA committee missed that. Kareeser|^Talk! 15:45, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Call the Rawful Lawfuls! Quatreryukami 15:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Selected home game consoles

The box, which is currently at the top of the references section, causes the latter to be forced into two narrow columns. Can it be moved anywhere else? -Phoenix 02:05, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not getting that problem. ONE reference spills into two lines, but all the other look the same as they did when the box wasn't there. TJ Spyke 02:09, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, yeah. I think I read about this; it's a Firefox problem. -Phoenix 02:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking that too. Firefox users also have problems with wrestling PPV articles. TJ Spyke 02:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

It looks just fine in Firefox version 2.0. Jecowa 04:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Happens to me too. Firefox 2.0.0.3 Mahanga^Talk 04:47, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

'Wii' isn't Japanese?

I know that technically the Japanese for 'yes' is ii, but the name 'Wii' is supposed to invoke that sound in Japan. Here's the website: [4]. Do you think it's worth mentioning in the article? Corvokarasu 16:33, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Since when is ii 'yes' in Japanese? Hai is the Japanese word for 'yes'. You must be thinking of the word for 'no' which is iie.146.235.66.52 17:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I meant to say 'good,' thanks for catching that. Corvokarasu 17:12, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not an expert, but I read somewhere that "Wii" meant "good" in Japanese. --RockMaster-talk|contribs 18:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

'Hai' and 'ee' mean yes. But the 'ee' is pronounced somewhat like 'ehh', not 'ii'. Also, good is indeed, colloquially "ii". Or a little more formally "yoi". Or something like that, it's been months since I last studied. But wii would be more pronounced "u-i-i", so i'm not sure where the u comes from going by that theory. 128.122.20.15 19:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

• Actually, i don't even think "Wii" is a sound in japanese...as previously stated, it would be pronounced u-i-i Purplepurplepurple 03:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

The Japanese name is a simple transliteration of "we". ウィー. Like what Nintendo's saying, it's pronounced the same as "we".—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ 03:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I still think there's something there. The website I mentioned above says, "in Japan when you say yes, you sometimes say 'ui-,' which is similar to 'wii.'" Also, ii does mean 'good' in Japanese, as per the phrase ii-desu yo. I'd say the word 'Wii' definitely has some roots in Japanese words and comparisons to the English word 'we' was simply an advertising afterthought to appeal to American consumers. Corvokarasu 17:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Of course this is all speculation and it would be original research to add to the article. -- mattb 17:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Original research shouldn't be added the discussion page either. Just64helpin 17:48, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Is there someone fluent in Japanese who might be able to glean something from websites in Japanese? I only took one semester in college and that was a couple of years ago now. Corvokarasu 17:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

There are many ways to say both "yes" and "no" in Japanese and also different ways to say "good." "Ii" is indeed the most common colloquial term that means something like "good." As for "wii," there is no "wi" syllabic sound in Japanese. There is just "wa" and "wo" currently in modern use. And both of those are only reserved for their respective particles. "Wi" no longer exists as part of the hiragana and so like stated above, the closest approximation would be "uii." As for the name of the console being related to the word "ii," well until we get some definite and official sources, it will remain mere speculation. The great kawa 19:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

lol you guys are thinking to hard. have any of you even read or been to wii.com? (not insulting j/w) wii is pronounced as we and means what it sounds like it is a console for everyone or "we" (not like only e rated games but meaning something for every one) and the "ii" in wii is meant to symbolize two people standing next to eachother (agian a refrence to "we") its not some japanese word meaning "good" or "yes" and if anything is more of a play on words in english and symbol. and it is also pronounced the same in all languages so in the us its "we" in japan its "we" in germany its "we" just like burger king is burger king no mater were you go. if you need proof go to nintendo.com and read up on the wii and what the creators had to say (i think its in the Iwata asks section of the wii page) ill put links to were i specificly read what i know later but right now i cant because my computer is acting buggy and wont let me on nintendo.com 70.190.109.11 04:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Well yeah, we know all that, it's in the article. But since Nintendo is Japanese, it's reasonable to believe "Wii" might be a play on words in Japanese as well as English. Working off that idea is what produced the above discussion. --Herald Alberich 05:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I must say, Japanese is a little more leinient than you guys think. Even though it is technically incorrect in Japanese, there is a Japanese artist who calls himself Korn. It's pronounced as it would be phonetically in English. And most people aren't so hard assed when it comes to saying things right anyway. People will make exceptions to rules when they know what is right and what is wrong, especially when it comes to language. I don't think Japan is any different. Gopherbassist 00:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, let me shed some light on this subject, Nintendo Power featured a whole article on the name "Wii". According to Nintendo Power, Nintendo chose the name "Wii" because it is the sound of delight. C. Pineda 01:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

List of accidents

Would it make sense to add a list of known accidents and people getting hurt? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.98.229.10 (talk • contribs)

Probably not. If you want to include such a thing, make a section mentioning that the Wii Remote is prone to be misused, and thus, cause injuries. Mention a couple incidents, maybe even point them to www.wiihaveaproblem.com. We don't need to make a comprehensive list, just make the fact known. Leave the lists to the bloggers. --RockMaster-talk|contribs 18:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

This has been discussed before, and it was agreed that it wasn't notable. IMO, all those people are idiots since it's not that hard to hold onto the controller, even if the strap broke the person should still know how to hold the controller. TJ Spyke 21:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

What is notable is that straps were breaking, prompting action from Nintendo. This is already in the article. Just64helpin 19:44, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Most of the accidents can probably not be proved. Anyone can just cut the writst strap and throw the Wii remote at the TV. Playing the Wii myself, I have not noticed any problem with keeping the Wii remote in my hand, even when my hands are sweating from hours (5+) of playing. I have found out that some Wii users in my area don't even put their wrist straps on. --Bubblewrapp 18:16, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

In all actuality, the wrist straps were never the problem, it was the idiots wielding them. There's no reason why they should be even pushed to that point in the first place. Most of the accidents I have seen came as a result of people not wearing the strap, or simply not paying attention to where their hands were.--RockMaster-talk|contribs 20:15, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Is this just me, or is this article...missing something?

I was just glancing over the article, and fixed three obvious little things that were missing. I wonder, are there another other simple mistakes lying around in the article? This was just a cursory glance, so a better eye than mine should be able to catch these things fairly easily. --RockMaster-talk|contribs 18:41, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

What is the font in the Wii logo?

Just wandering, as a trivial thing Sergeant K 21:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe that there is no font associated with the wii logo such as that there is no font associated with the Spider-Man 2 logo (see PS3) - oops! no original research allowed!. In other words, I do not think that there is one.71.168.113.79 21:05, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Then how come it shows the font under the logo on the Wii page of this site? Sergeant K 21:08, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

That would be an image and not a font. Axem Titanium 22:09, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, there's a font very similar to it called Continuum. Heres a link: http://forums.nintendo.com/nintendo/board/message?board.id=art&message.id=227617

THe Font is the Same (cept' for the rounded W) as in the DS Lite. It's New Century Gothic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.92.71.20 (talk • contribs) yes, sort of, they probably used that font while making an image in photoshop, so it is a little different from the actual new century gothic. if your thinking about the two "I"s bowwing, that can easily be done in photoshop, or in another program.--as always, QuinnTheAspie 01:17, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

(Semi)Protection needed!

Checking the history of the article reveals a long vandalism-revert-vandalism-revert chain, mainly from anons. Don't we need (semi)protection? --NetRolller 3D 21:11, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Been refused at WP:RPP as article on main page (tradition?). I think 24 vandalisma in 35 minutes is rather a lot, but hey... Shenme 21:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

It's not likely to be granted. Admins don't like semi-protecting pages that are "Today's Featured Article" except as a last resort (like edit warring). There have been some IP's making good edits since it was put on the front page. For now, all we can do is give warnings to the vandals and report them if they keep it up. TJ Spyke 21:14, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, now that it no longer on the front page, should we not reinstate it's Semiprotected status? --RockMaster-talk|contribs 01:37, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

The vandalism has settled down, but you can request it if you want. TJ Spyke 01:40, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Only protect after one more day IF their is significant levels of vandalisim, no need to protect it if no one is vandalising it. The Placebo Effect 01:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Since this is last day for Wii being on the Main Page then tomorrow it should be semi-protected. I don't think full protection is needed since most vandals will forget about their accounts after 4 days(which I think is the amount of time you need to wait before you can edit semi-protected pages.) *NOTE* I am a newb to Wikipedia, if this turns out wrong please delete my [bad] changes--Bubblewrapp 18:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Fifth/Sixth?

The Nintendo article states that this is the sixth console. Why is it listed as the fifth here? I was contacted on the main page error report and told it had been rectified... I am gonna put it as sixth for now, please explain on here why it isn't, if it isn't. J Milburn 21:42, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

The Color TV Game series (there was more than 1) weren't really consoles, they were more like those Plug & Play games made by companies like JAKKS Pacific. Check the last archive for a discussion on this. TJ Spyke 21:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I apologise. I took an IP's word for it that it had been corrected- I took this to mean that a consensus had been reached. J Milburn 22:11, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

If you look at the video game console article, plug and play type games (eg pong) are defined there as "consoles." Thus, the Color TV Game would seemingly be a console. Yourebustedyo 12:14, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

There also appears to be quite a bit of inconsistency with this. The article for the color TV game calls it a second generation console in its info box and the Nintendo video game hardware template lists it as a console as well. However, the history article for that generation does not even mention it. Also the time line in the Video game console page does not list it either. Also, the template called the virtual boy a console and IIRC that is not very well supported so I am not sure if that should be taken seriously. --65.95.17.204 22:25, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

This is because there are so many plug and play consoles, it would be too hard to list them all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brunky (talk • contribs)

Virtual Boy is odd. When I e-mailed NOA (which I know the e-mail is not a RS), the rep said it was not a console or a handheld but rather some mix. Anyways, WP is inconsistant when it comes to the Color TV Game. I haven't seen any reliable source even call it a home console. TJ Spyke 04:06, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

There are indeed 6 home consoles it's in the Nintendo article.. I will change it to six for now. Uchiha23 20:12, May 21 2007 (UTC)

Fix the infobox...

Please.

Erm... What's wrong with it again? Ixistant 15:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Could you please explain what this means? I don't understand what you are saying. Maybe I could help if you told me what is wrong. --CrazedCook 13:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Um, that comment was made a month and a half ago. It's pretty safe to assume that the issue has been addressed. --Maxamegalon2000 19:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Region lockout, NTSC/UC and PAL

can Japanese wii/GameCube games be played on an American Wii console?

No, it's region locked. Purplepurplepurple 19:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

This information was actually in the article, but was removed for some reason. It's back now. Just64helpin 00:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Will the Wii have the NTSC UC or PAL system just like PS2 or Game Cube? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MasoodaUmed (talk • contribs)

Yes the Wii uses the NTSC/PAL system that almost every game system does, see the NTSC and PAL articles to see which regions use which. TJ Spyke 21:24, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone know if the virtual console games are region specific? I do not remember the TurboGrafx ever being released in the UK and Europe. And if these games are region specific does anyone know if they will change in the near distant future? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.194.74.227 (talk • contribs)

That is what Nintendo originally said. However, North America has gotten a TG16 game that was originally only released in Japan and Europe had also gotten games that haven't been released in Europe before. Nintendo has said they may do this as well (which I am glad because I really want to play Sin & Punishment, should be easy for them since it was already translated into English but just not released outside of Japan). The TurboGrafx-16 was released in Europe (as the Turbografx), see the system's article for more details. TJ Spyke 21:24, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Other Systems being featured?

If Wii is now a featured article, does that mean Wikipedia will be accused of supporting Nintendo if it does not make the other 7th generation cosoles featured articles? I think they do deserve some attention for their technology. I am not saying this because I like them or anything, I just like it when the Day's Featured article is something I know a litte bit about. --Bubblewrapp 18:26, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

For an article to be featured, it must meet the Featured Article Criteria. It's up to the editors of the other 2 consoles' articles to improve it up to that standard, and nominate it.--Kylohk 18:50, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it has nothing to do with the subject of the article. It just has to meet the FAC, which the PS3 and Xbox 360 articles do not. TJ Spyke 00:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the you, for an article to be featured it goes by a list of objective and impartial criteria, so I think there's is no point for anyone to claim that. And if someone that likes/edits more some other seventh generation video game claims that, that same person should then work on that article so that it'll be featured also! --eusourei^(talk) 01:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Nintendo including "older" games in Wii's software library

Do you think that the fact that Nintendo is adding more "grown up" third party games to the Wii's Software library should be mentioned in the article? I think it is pretty important, after all it is a part of the strategy to reach a broader public with its console. This can be clearly seen in the development of games like Manhunt 2 and No More Heroes, games known for its high violence rating. Reggie Fils-Aime has also stated that he was trying to bring GTA to Wii, another big evidence of this new change of "ideology" from Nintendo.--eusourei^(talk) 02:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

wouldnt this be an agenda-driven request? Highlighting something for the purposes of blunting criticism, but not mentioning the criticism.User talk:wageslave

I just moved your post because it was strangely in the middle of mine, ok? Anyway, i don't think of this as a critic, only as fact fact that may be important to mention in the software library, after all it's a big change in the way Big N acts... --eusourei^(talk) 15:59, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Wait, WHEN did he say he wanted to bring GTA to the Wii? I know they want to reach a wider audience, but that's really pushing it. JDub90 17:45, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

You can see what I said here[5] and here[6]. I also saw on the Official Nintendo Magazine of my country(Brazil), Nintendo World. I'll see if I find that somewhere in the internet... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eusourei (talk • contribs) 18:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

I'm not sure I really see the point here. First off, do you have any articles that discuss any perceived shift to mature titles, relative previous systems? Otherwise, it'd seem like your analysis would be somewhat OR.
But, besides that, 'mature' titles on a nintendo system is hardly a new thing. Just off the top of my head, Eternal Darkness on the gamecube and Conker's Bad Fur Day on the N64 come to mind. (I'm sure there are plenty of others... Resident Evil, anyone?) But, anyways, the point is that this isn't new, so I don't see how it can indicate any sort of a trend. Bladestorm 21:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure if Reggie himself said that(I'm going to search for that), but a lot of game sites and magazines are saying that Nintendo really is bringing more mature titles. It's a fact that Nintendo always had some mature games in it's consoles, but i think this time it's are really opening its console to games like GTA and Manhunt. You must also note that Game Cube lacked the presence of mature games so Nintendo is, at least, going back to the level it had before...—eusourei^(talk) 22:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think I understand. "GameCube lacked the presence of mature games"?

The gamecube had 47 titles rated Mature, including Splinter Cell, Rainbow Six, Mortal Kombat, Twin Snakes, Resident Evil, Eternal Darkness, and BMX XXX. Death, dismemberment, and topless women seem to qualify as "mature" to me... Bladestorm 22:23, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

yes those would be m games but you have to think of how well they really did and what the game cube was known for. If you were to ask parents what game console would you be most likly to buy your young kid the awnser would be the game cube (befor wii came out). It was known more for mario and e games rather than t games and "good" m games. 70.190.109.11 00:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Wii Technical Problems

There is no mention of Wii's Fatal Error 110213. It should be included in the article. [7][8] [9]

As this article clearly lacks perspective, I just have created a new Wikipedia Article Wii technical problems, this serves two purposes

(1) provide a location for a cohesive set of Wii's technical issues and problems to be documented

(2) serve as a more elaborate resource a new "Technical Problems" Section to this MAIN Wii article

Posted 04.25.2007 @ 11:35 EST wageslave

After the Wii technical problems article has had time to mature, I would like to propose the following:

Being that the main Wii article lacks any information on the various technical issues surrounding the Wii, I would like the editors to add a "Technical Problems" section to the main article. There, can be a link to the main Wii technical problems article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wageslave (talk • contribs) 15:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

The Wii article already contains an subsection on technical issues. Almost everything in the Wii technical problems article is already mentioned in the Wii article. There's no need for a separate article on it. Just64helpin 16:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The Wii article does not contain the totality of the material contained in the Wii technical problems article. I disagree that "there is no need for a seperate article", clearly there is -- did you read the new article first? Did you notice there was no mention of that material in the main Wii article? How can you possibly suggest this? wageslave

The article is very poor, such that it was apparently deleted once as a blatant attack page. It's that bad. I've removed some of the speedy deletion tags, but to tell you the truth, I don't think it would be that great a loss for it to be speedied again. I would suggest that you work on improving the tone and content of the article immediately. Dancter 19:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The article Needs work, yes, but at this juncture, Its a "release early, release often" page. Its a work in progress. It certainly contains material not present in the subsection-you've redirected to. Im jumping through hoops you've setup? Why is this? Instead of just killing my article, and redirecting to your incomplete paragraph, why not contribute? Or, since you're accusations of "tone problems", make mention of those "tone problems" more specifically on the Wii technical problems page?

This is ridiculous, Im trying to make the article better, but need you to stop deleting the article in order to do it.

The article is not a "blatant attack page" but a collection or real technical problems reported widely in the press, there is no other article (and not in the Wii article) that contains 70% of that material.

Please restore the article so I may continue working.

What is going on here? wageslave

Actually, I just converted the page into a redirect. The article was unacceptable in the given state. Even for works in progress, content must meet a certain threshold of quality to be in the article. While minor issues can reasonably be expected to be fixed by subsequent editors, the article namespace should not be your main workspace for working on substandard content.

It may be possible for this to be worked out in a temporary space, such as a talk page, but POV forking is a definite no-no. You seem to be trying to counter negative Xbox 360 coverage on with negative PS3 and Wii content, without applying the same standard of scrutiny. You even seem to have basically used the Xbox 360 technical issues article as a direct template for the PlayStation 3 technical problems issues page, which leads to a few issues. I was tempted to convert that article into a redirect, too; but that article seems to do a better job of sticking to technical problems, and not straying into overall complaints. It still needs a lot of work if it has any chance of being kept. Dancter 21:23, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I did in fact use the XBox 360 Technical Problems as a model. I believed it would be wise to use a 'template' of sorts in order to avoid non-standard forms. The content is similar becuase all three are reviewed by exactly the same press (same perspective) and from the same age, from the same industry, from exactly the same everything. If you (dancter & tj spyke) could take the trouble to contribute this much in a discussion against having an article at all, perhaps you could instead make more specific edits to the article itself? Perhaps you could have used the (now deleted) Wii Technical Problems talk page to continue the improvment process of the article. If you'll care to notice, this entire "there is a problem" and discussion has gone on here in less than an hour, i cannot even get to the article to continue providing sources and changing content (etc). Im a new user, perhaps you could be more helpfull instead of trying to censor the content? Clearly, the section you've redirected to contains little of the material contained in the (now deleted) Wii Technical Problems article. wageslave Wednesday, 2007-04-25 T 21:36 UTC

That's a good idea. Perhaps the primary discussion on this should be shifted to Talk:Wii Technical Problems. Dancter 22:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

In case anyone saw the redlink for the xbox 360 article it is because it actually is Xbox 360 technical problems and not because it does not exist or was deleted. --67.71.77.62 22:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

When you remove the attack and weasel words (like the entire first paragraph, "Since its release the Nintendo Wii has gained a reputation for its poor reliability and technical problems, including occurrences of total failure, where the unit becomes completely unusable. Gamers have speculated that the reason behind this was the fact that Nintendo rushed the system out for December 2006 sales without proper testing. As with other recent console launches a certain ammount of defective units has come to be expected at launch. Gamers and Developers have speculated that the reason behind this was the fact that Nintendo rushed the system out to meet competitors in the marketplace."), you are left with little more than is what is in the Wii article. Also, blogs and messageboards can not be used as sources. The section in the Wii artical is neutral, well sourced, and very informative (none of which the Wii Technical Problems article have). TJ Spyke 21:00, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Since you view "Since its release the Nintendo Wii has gained a reputation for its poor reliability and technical problems, including occurrences of total failure, where the unit becomes completely unusable. Gamers have speculated that the reason behind this was the fact that Nintendo rushed the system out for December 2006 sales without proper testing. As with other recent console launches a certain ammount of defective units has come to be expected at launch. Gamers and Developers have speculated that the reason behind this was the fact that Nintendo rushed the system out to meet competitors in the marketplace." as 'attack and weasoel words I disagree. This is a correct reflection of reality, as is evidenced by ample press reports.

Also, that preamble simply sets-up what follows, that other 70% I mentioned. Those very well reported items are no where to be found in the section we are redirecting too.

The Wii article is certainly not complete or neutral, this is evidenced by the willfully ignoring the content of the (now deleted) Wii Technical Problems article.

Further, now that the Wii Technical Problems has been flushed down the memory hole, I cannot reach the work I was trying to make better.

wageslave 21:05, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

" gained a reputation for its poor reliability and technical problems", classic example of weasel words (and an untrue statement since I haven't seen a single report or article anything like that, even on blog sites like Kotaku). "Gamers have speculated that the reason behind this was the fact that Nintendo rushed the system out for December 2006 sales without proper testing", more weasel words. All electronics have defective units, it would be a bigger story if the Wii didn't have defective unites. "Gamers and Developers have speculated that the reason behind this was the fact that Nintendo rushed the system out to meet competitors in the marketplace.", more weasel words. The Wii article is neutral and is well sourced. "Very well reported"? Blogs and messageboards don't count, which almost all of your "sources" are. The few statements that do have reliable sources are already mentioned in the Wii article. Another thing, you don't think to make a section break after every sentence, it's irritating. TJ Spyke 21:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

This is clearly going nowhere, does anyone know how to appeal for redress, TJSpkye is not listening, those "Weasel Words" are a generalization, included in the intro preamble, backed up by the article contents, they dont need to be specifically cited as they serve to provide an introduction to the contents. Being that IM a new user, TJ Spyke, and you are an editor who is without an agenda of any kind, could I trouble you for a bit direction on how I may appeal to have the article restored so that I may actually address the issues you mention? The article was summarily deleted before any actual criticism was provided, and before anyone was able to help with tone (the article has a single, tone; my-own) Thanks. wageslave

The lead itself needs its own sources and should not rely on the article's main body for them. See WP:LEAD, WP:NPOV... and this while you're at it. Just64helpin 22:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The article wasn't deleted, it was turned into a redirect page. Here is the last version before it was redirected: [10]. Also, read the page on weasel words (which I linked for you) and you will see what I mean. Take Dancter's advice, work on the page in a user subpage (Wikipedia:Subpages#How to create user subpages), when you have taken care of the weasel words and tone, show the fixed version here and things could change. TJ Spyke 21:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, his other page at Wii technical problems was deleted. I put a speedy delete request on it for being an Attack Page. The admin agreed. Wageslave recreated the exact same page under a slightly different name to get around the bot patrol. --Jbanes 22:02, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I moved the content in order to have the names be cohesive. Ie; XBox 360 Technical Problems, PS3 Technical Problems, Wii Technical Problems. Jbanes, please do not insinuate my motivation. wageslave 22:18 PM Wednesday, April 25, 2007

And Youtube is a verifiable and reliable source? Interesting... Bladestorm 22:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The proper names would be "Xbox technical problems", "PlayStation 3 technical problems", and "Wii technical problems". Note the lower caps. BTW "Wii" is the full name of the console, in case you still don't know. Just64helpin 22:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Cohesiveness is good, but there are standard naming conventions that make the other names preferable. I know we're throwing a lot of information at you, and it may seem as if we're dog-piling, but we do have a certain way of working. Just try to be patient and cooperative. There's a lot to learn, such as how to sign your posts. Note my welcome message on your talk page. Just type four tildes at the end. The software converts it into a signature for you, in the standard format. Dancter 22:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

There has been no address of the other 70% of material that was contained in the article (that is now 'gone' (or not contained in the redirected location)). As is suggested in the Wikipedia:Resolving disputes section, I will let this matter rest for a time. wageslave 22:37 PM Wednesday, April 25, 2007 UTC

Actually, there has. Try reading this topic from top to bottom. Just64helpin 22:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Removing general complaints (lack of third party games is not a technical problem), weasel words, and stuff like that and this is what is left of the article: User:TJ Spyke/Test. TJ Spyke 22:50, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Fine. You want to do this? Then let's do this.

For reference, anyone interested can find wageslave's last version here.

The introduction is factually inaccurate, and doesn't even pretend to have supporting sources. It doesn't have a reputation for poor reliability. Unsourced claims that "gamers have speculated...", in addition to being unreliable, is the very definition of "weasel words". The system wasn't rushed out. Testing aside, it wasn't rushed. If you disagree, give a reliable and verifiable reference. Otherwise, it's merely your assertion. And, what's with the call for patches? Huh?

The first hardware issue did happen, though I'd question its notability. To say that it was of limited numbers is the understatement of the year. And your only source for it is a forum. That means you have no sources at all.

You claim that the wrist straps have (note: "have", not even "had") a high rate of breaking. This is factually inaccurate. Also, do you have a more direct source that they issued a "recall"? It was my understanding that they never issued a formal recall.

Heat Damages GPU? Heat damages any GPU. What's your point? There have been some reported cases, but very very few. And your sole source is an unreliable blog. Wow. I'm impressed.

The choice of flash supported isn't a "technical problem" in the same sense. Any more than I can add the lack of support for the most recent versions of java to mac articles. The amusing part is that your only provided source for it is a wikipedia article. Guess what: Believe it or not, wikipedia isn't considered a good source for citing facts.

Overloaded Memory Crash? I've never heard of this. There's no proof it ever happened, let alone a certainty as to the cause. And a forum doesn't count as a reliable source.

Your criticism of 3rd party support for online play doesn't even make the same claims as your "source". A single person is quoted as saying they can't currently use it, and predicted that it won't be coming in 2007. You changed it to "no 3rd party software developer will be permitted to use the Wii's nascant online capabilities." Even if that one guy from snk was right, you'd still be misrepresenting him. Also, you say they're being "rebuffed" to their requests to create "any" online features... except the same article you cited says "Nintendo has permitted some basic usages of the WiiConnect24 service". So, um, your statement was outright false. I won't accuse you of lying, but it was verifiably false.

Your criticism of friend codes is just that: a criticism about a design choice. It isn't a technical issue at all.

The lack of multiplayer support on the virtual console is mind-boggling. The fact that they didn't decide to redesign the game entirely to become internet capable games? Huh? You weren't even able to come up with a source to prove that's a common criticism. Big surprise. Newsflash: the NES was never online capable. And I have no clue what you are talking about when you say, "unlike the consoles of similar vintage"...

Little Improvement over GameCube? Granted, technical potential is technical by nature (big surprise), but that's a criticism of the choice of design. It isn't a defect.

"Unreliable WiiMote Operation"? Where to begin! First: calling it a "wiimote" isn't very formal. Second, "WiiMote" doesn't even exist. Next, your criticisms are actually about how developers chose to program the games: Not limitations (and especially not defects) of the controller itself. What's more, you don't come even close to citing all of your complaints. (And, again, none of them qualify as defects anyways, especially not 'unreliable operation')

3rd Party Support: Again, where to begin... The fact that you don't cite anything? The fact that you speculate? Howsabout the fact that you equate "3rd Party Support" with "cross-system ports". Basically, your complaints don't even match your heading.

Lack of Games: Oh, this one's cute. Because two games have been delayed, that equates to an overall lack of games. Nice.

And this ignores other issues, such as the overall tone, the fact that it's solely an attack article, and the spelling/grammatical errors.

So... 70%? No. Actually, approximately 100%. Bladestorm 23:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Wow, talk about being brutally honest. Even though everything you said is pretty much true, you might want to go a bit easier on this guy; he appears to have jumped in way over his head. Oh, and "unlike the consoles of similar vintage" refers to Xbox Live, which does have classic games with online multiplayer added. That said, take note, Wageslave, because Bladestorm here is correct on all counts. --Herald Alberich 23:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, okay... so maybe I was a bit too harsh. But I still think it needed to be said (in some form or another). If he does want to try writing an article about technical issues, then he should really try writing one from scratch; starting with a fresh set of references, and not trying to model it directly off the 360 counterpart. Bladestorm 23:46, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Note: thanks to jbanes for [[11]] so I may continue editing the article. Also, thanks dancter for this Wageslave 22:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

FYI on this. Wageslave decided to revive the previous article as-was rather than rebuild it to repair the problems noted by the various editors here. I mentioned this to him on the Talk Page but received no response. So I have gone ahead and started the VfD process on the page to permanently remove it. If you have an opinion on this page (either for or against), please join the discussion. Here is the last edit by wageslave and here is the most recent version after several editors tried to pare it back down. You may note that after the paring down the article contains the exact same information as the Wii article. (Though arguably lacking a NPOV.) If anyone finds anything notably different, please mention it on the AfD page. Thanks. --Jbanes 18:40, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I think its totally lame to state "Free Radical Design has stated that the Wii hardware lacks the power necessary to run the software they have scheduled for release on other seventh-generation consoles." in this..they are talking about some super graphic game that plays on PS3 and so on. I think its just silent bashing of Wii's "lack of powers". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.103.215.61 (talk • contribs).

Positive bias in start of article

About this: "A distinguishing feature of the console is its wireless controller,"

I propose either the word "distinguishing" or "wireless" be removed from this sentance segment. In its present incarnation, it suggests that it is "distinguishing" because of it being "wireless". The other consoles of this generation also have wireless controllers.

Further, the word "distinguishing" is a form of the word Distinguished which means "standing above others in character or attainment or reputation; Fine, with distinctive character, elegance and refinement." Its being used here is to impart a gushing or "postive-weasel" word - without clear and absolute praise, has been chosen by someone for the purpose of associating a positive-bias.

I propose this: "A defining feature of the console is its controller; the Wii Remote. It is a wireless, handheld pointing device and can detect motion and rotation in three dimensions." or the less colloquial; "The defining feature of the console is its controller; the Wii Remote. The Wii Remote is a wireless, handheld pointing device and can detect motion and rotation in three dimensions."

By the way "handheld pointing device and can detect motion and rotation in three dimensions." Rotation is a motion. This should be: "handheld pointing device and can detect motion in three dimensions."

Finally we have: "The defining feature of the console is its controller; the Wii Remote. The Wii Remote is a wireless, handheld pointing device and can detect motion in three dimensions."

This is nit picking to the extreme... Allow me to quote the OED:

di'stinguishing, ppl. a.

1. Constituting a difference; serving to distinguish or mark off from others; distinctive, characteristic; sometimes in stronger sense, That renders (a person, etc.) distinguished or eminent.

2. That perceives differences or makes distinctions between things; discriminating.

Picking one connotation of the word and using it as your grounds for a claim of intentional bias is just silly, so let's not go down that road. That being said, I see nothing wrong with changing the wording to something like your second proposal since it doesn't change the meaning. -- mattb 15:27, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Do you not believe that the article would be most neutral, concise and accurate with the final suggestion? While it may seem "nitpicky" it is accurate, the word "distinguishing" is informed by the word "distinguished", and if you want to see the article more neutral, why not simply remove the weasel word? Why not just change it? 136.2.1.153 15:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I already said I have no problem with the change. Yes, it is nitpicky. Choosing a marginal connotation of a word and claiming bias due to it is silly at best, bad faith at worst. You can request a change without waving the bias finger. -- mattb 15:43, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll apologize, I do not want to waive the 'bias finger'. I will say this; the final recommendation will result in an article that shows the least bias. If the goal is to provide an accurate, unbiased and concise article, you will support my final recommendation. (in my best lawyer talk). thanks. 136.2.1.153 15:46, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

All that said, there is still no change in the article. With the article locked, I cannot change it -- who will? 136.2.1.153 18:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

No one. If you'd like to have the page changed, consider logging in under your account. Then you can modify the page yourself. As a word of advice, it's probably a good idea anyway. Your talk page displays some unfortunately detailed information about your IP. Jbanes 19:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I made the recommended change. Wageslave 23:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

The change was reverted -- why? Will any editor make the change please? 136.1.1.154 16:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Inaccurate as well in same paragraph

The assertion "A distinguishing ..... Another is WiiConnect24, which enables it to receive messages and updates over the Internet while in standby mode."

Is inaccurate. The XBox 360 is capable of downloading content, in the 'background' while the console is in off (clearly, not "off", but a form of standby mode). This segment is inaccurate at best.

I recommend, along with the changes above that the entire paragraph becomes: "The defining feature of the console is its controller; the Wii Remote. The Wii Remote is a wireless, handheld pointing device and can detect motion in three dimensions. Like XBox LIVE, WiiConnect24, is able it to receive messages and updates over the Internet while in standby mode."

or probably more palatable to the reality-contortion experts guarding this article: "The defining feature of the console is its controller; the Wii Remote. The Wii Remote is a wireless, handheld pointing device and can detect motion in three dimensions. Like another console of this generation, WiiConnect24, is able it to receive messages and updates over the Internet while in standby mode."

I eagerly await the twisting and gnashing of teeth as to why this inaccuracy should remain.

136.1.1.154 16:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know that statement is entirely accurate. While the Xbox360 can perform background downloading, it is not at all the same as what the Wii can do - downloading in a basically off state (or very low power standby mode). The spring dashboard update for the 360 allows users to have their system automatically turn off once a download is complete, but that is not standby-mode downloading. Zomic_13 19:18, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, Im happy to let you know that is exactly what the XBox 360 does. The adapter & HD run while the unit is in stand-by mode. What the Spring Dashboard update does is -- new and in addition -- automatically turn the console to 100% completely off. after complete. The statement that wiiconnect is "unique" or "distinguished" for posessing this feature is incorrect. AS IS the previous two/three sentances (please read above) Wageslave 03:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I have seen many people with little to no life that go around wikapedia "nerding it up" but you by FAR are the "nerdiest"...congradulations it looked like you put a lot of work in to it all. 70.190.109.11 00:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Wii doesn't emulate the Gamecube

The article contained a claim that the Wii emulates the Gamecube to run Gamecube games. This is very implausible, since A) there was 100% compatibility at launch, and 2) a 1.5x/2x speed improvement isn't enough to emulate, typically at least 5x is required. We know that the Wii is closely based on the Gamecube architecture, so the logical conclusion is that the Wii CPU and GPU go into "Gamecube mode" to run Gamecube games, and no emulation layer is required. Redquark 22:38, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

As I mentioned in the edit summary, please read Emulator. From that article: "A hardware emulator is an emulator which takes the form of a hardware device." The Wii does this, it takes the form of a GameCube when playing GameCube games. Being at 100% makes no difference. No improvements of any kind are needed, so where did you get that 5x speed thing from? It doesn't matter if there are no changes at all. TJ Spyke 22:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

In the context of hardware like videogame consoles, the term "emulation" implies a layer that converts one type of instruction into another. The article virtualization makes this clear. If the article emulator isn't too clear on this point it's because it talks about all sorts of devices like printers and such. Using "emulation" to talk about how the Wii runs Gamecube games is very misleading. Redquark 22:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Hardware emulation refers to the use of FPGAs which are reprogrammable logic arrays, which can emulate pretty much anything. I'm guessing that the Wii doesn't emulate the GameCube in the way a Pentium 4 doesn't emulate a Pentium 3, in that they are based around the same instruction set etc. I can't say for sure that an emulation layer doesn't exist, but I'd put money against it. - hahnchen 23:23, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Unless it can be proven that the Wii doesn't emulate GameCube (which I'm 99% sure it does), it shouldn't be removed. The burden of proof is on Redquark to proof it isn't emulating the GCN. TJ Spyke 23:42, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

The burden of evidence rests on the editors in favor of the inclusion of material. Dancter 23:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

What? Why would it be automatically assumed that a Wii emulates a GameCube? With the Wii processor based on the GC one, there's more of a chance that it's like the Pentium 4 -> Pentium 3 scenario. In a further note, this really is a trivial thing, the point of the sentence in question is that Gamecube games are unaffected by parental controls on the Wii, whether it is a Gamecube emulator or not seems pretty irrelevant. - hahnchen 23:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

This would by my assesment. Not emulation, but as the Wii is well-known to be Gamecube-alike, we have it running native I'd say. Wageslave 23:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

This should definitely be removed. Wii does not emulate GameCube. The Wii's hardware is almost exactly the same as the GameCube's hardware, except it is approx. twice as fast. The person who wants the article to say Wii emulates GameCube needs to find evidence, not the other way around. Zomic_13 01:25, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Guess you don't know what emulation is. I don't care anymore, although the burden of proof was on YOU since no one had any problem with the info and it's been there for over a year. TJ Spyke 01:35, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

doesn't matter how long wrong information has been in the article, if it's wrong and unsupported it should be removed. Now if someone can find a cite that says it does emulate the gamecube feel free to add it (and it is up to the the person adding information to give a cite, no matter how long something has been in the article uncited)Harlock jds 12:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Zomic13 is quite correct. The Wii does not emulate a Gamecube. The Wii is a Gamecube, but with a higher clock rate and various extra I/O features. You wouldn't say that your new Pentium IV emulates your Pentium III, because it doesn't. It runs the same software natively under the same (albeit with new features) hardware platform. Similarly, the Atari Flashback 2 does not "emulate" a 2600. It is a 2600 running the original code.

"Hardware Emulation" tends to refer to two cases. The first is when the hardware platform morphs to meet the target platform, as in the case of FPGA architectures. The second is when the hardware platform is incomplete and needs to be emulated. This is the case of the PS2 and PS3 which contain the chips of their predecessors, but require special software to route the bus as if it were the original machine. From what is known, the Wii fits neither of these descriptions. When a Gamecube game is activated, the system simply turns off the extra Input/Output features (e.g. Bluetooth, USB, WiFi, etc.) so that the Wii features cannot be accessed by Gamecube programs. (I imagine this is partly a defensive measure against piracy and/or homebrews.)

One thing I'm not entirely clear on is if the Wii drops the clock when in Gamecube mode. I wouldn't be surprised if it did, if only to prevent potential timing bugs from popping up. However, downclocking is a fairly common feature in laptop microprocessors, and should not be construed as evidence of emulation. Hope this helps. Jbanes 02:56, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Emulation is when a machine changes code on the fly, the wii does not do that, so I doubt it emulates gamecube code. MindWraith 07:41, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Not necessarily, but Jbanes has given a nice summary of the terminology at work. I would agree with changing the phrasing to something like "compatibility" rather than emulation. -- mattb 14:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with this, as Nintendo has access to the code, recompiling for the Gamecube-similar Wii would be more likely. Wageslave 23:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

It's quite disturbing that something like this could appear in the article for such a long time unnoticed. Just64helpin

I guess most people's eyes glazed over at the "parental control" section. I only noticed it just now because someone made an edit nearby and it caught my eye when I looked at the diff. I'm sure that if the word had appeared in the "Backwards compatibility" section, somebody would've removed it. Redquark 17:18, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's particularly disturbing, just non-optimal phrasing. There's a rather fine line to be drawn, and I wouldn't go so far as to say the current text is incorrect, just a bit misleading. -- mattb 17:40, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

On another note, is the Wii the only device/software in the world that can perfectly emulate every Nintendo 64 game released? I know they are drip feeding the virtual console games to us, but it seems that Nintendo can and plan to release any game they want and allow past licensees to release any N64 game they want. What I'm saying is, there isn't any other emulator out there that can do that, no one else has even managed to get a stable emulator out there for N64 games JayKeaton 22:45, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

It wouldn't be surprising if Nintendo had the best N64 emulator in existence, considering that they have access to a lot of private information about the system. But there is no way to know; all we know is that it can properly emulate the N64 games released so far on VC. Redquark 17:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, they could be sort of fine tuning the original games seperate to work on the virtual console, or they could be easily creating images that run on the Virtual consoles emulator. There's no way to know. But it does seem like they are very faithful copies, the virtual console. I mean seriously, these games are just like the originals, even the NES games JayKeaton 17:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I have been told that the virtual console titles are actually bundled with their own emulator. That's why the downloads are so large, and also why the Wii doesn't need regular updates to support new VC games. I think it's safe to assume that Nintendo is tweaking the emulator as required by each game. And since they have access to the original N64 game(s) code, they can always make a bug-fix to better support the emulator. You may notice that all the N64 games to date have been first-party titles. There are also very few of them. (All of 4.) It's possible that Nintendo is saving them because of the small N64 library, but it's also possible that each one is very costly in terms of development time. Jbanes 18:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

or that their aren't that many titles of interest from the N64...Harlock jds 18:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

That's a personal opinion I would disagree with, Harlock. Leebo ^T/C 18:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm with Leebo on this one. The N64's library had an excellent signal to noise ratio. (Probably because of its small size.) While some of the games would be difficult for Nintendo to offer due to Rare's defection to Microsoft (e.g. Banjo-Kazooie), there are easily a dozen or so games that could be released on the VC. I'm thinking games like Cruisn' USA, Diddy Kong Racing, Donkey Kong 64, FZero X, Majora's Mask, Mario Party, Super Smash Bros., Paper Mario, Pilot Wings, Wave Race 64, Excite Bike 64, Killer Instinct Gold, etc. Most of those are of notably higher quality than the majority of stuff that gets released on the VC. In fact, just about anything from the Player's Choice#Nintendo_64 category would make a good candidate. (Barring legal issues between companies.) Thus the theory that N64 games are expensive to port to the VC.

Of course, it could be a combination of issues. With so few Wiis in the wild yet, Nintendo may be waiting to release some of the lesser known titles until they have a wider audience to sell them to. That would help offset some of the expense of development. Unfortunately, this is all just speculation at this point. Jbanes 18:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Mentioning Majora's Mask is interesting considering that the GameCube port of Majora's Mask (in the Zelda Collector's Edition) had problems with its sound, which both the disc and manual acknowledged as an existing problem with the port (and, more emphatically not with the hardware). --Stratadrake 22:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

But what about 3rd party titles? I imagine that Microsoft would have no problem at all taking a percentage of Rare games sold on the Virtual console, as well as 3rd party publishers seeing it as a cheap way to make a rerelease. Little expense, no advertising or packaging needed. It's a shame Nintendo haven't gone into detail about these things, as it would make a very good addition to the Virtual console and Wii page if we knew what was going on JayKeaton 20:50, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Backward compatibility

I've expanded part of the "backward compatibility" section. This was done to provide detailed information and avoid cramping wikilinks. If you have any comments regarding the change, please post them here. Just64helpin 16:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

If I made a minor addition to that portion of the article, will I get warned or banned instantly?-Mega Man 5 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, that would depend on the content of your addition, wouldn't it? ;) Preferably, your addition would be helpful, and neither of your feared results would occur. Actually, now that I've seen it, your addition isn't harmful or warn-worthy, but it seems rather redundant. --Herald Alberich 04:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

That's what I though. Your edit basically just states the info from the paragraph a second time, so for the second time you state the same info from earlier in the paragraph (see what I just did? that's what your edit essentially is). TJ Spyke 05:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

i went ahead and took it out since it is redundent and makes the article hard to readHarlock jds 10:33, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

If a different user contributed the information I added (one that hasn't been given warnings), you wouldn't have removed it. Mega Man 5 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[unindent] I didn't even look at your talk page until just now. The information was removed because it was redundant. Period. Please continue to contribute helpfully to the project. --Herald Alberich 00:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Most of what I've contributed here was helpful, aside from this one we're talking about now.-Mega Man 5 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I've contributed information about the skins (decorations) released for the GameCube, saying that they can't be used on the Wii because they were designed with the GC in mind.-Mega Man 5 16 May 2007 (UTC)

actually you could use the skins on the wii... they will still stick to it (won't look good but they will stick) :D Harlock jds 16:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the reference, however, since interchangebility of skins is intuitively obvious, since the units looks nothing alike. The addition was unncessary. TheRealFennShysa 16:11, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

The addition didn't need to be removed. And the Game Boy Player not being compatible with the Wii is also obvious, because the accessory doesn't match the footprint of the Wii, yet there's information about the Wii not supporting it. If we're going to keep that information in the article, the information about the skins may as well be included-Mega Man 5 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Skins have nothing to do with BC. Besides, you can use the skins on the Wii (they just won't look good). It's the same way you could use DS skins on the Wii. TJ Spyke 06:24, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Technically, they do. I've partially re-added the information. Feel free to change some of the wording, but it shouldn't be completely removed because they were really designed for the GC and not the Wii. Yes you can use the skins on the Wii, but they're meant for the GC.-Mega Man 5 17 May 2007 (UTC)

The skins are basically just stickers, and can be used on anything (even non-electronics). Yes they were meant for the GC, but they still can be used on the Wii (just like they could be used on the PS3 and Xbox 360). TJ Spyke 07:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

We know they can be used on the Wii, but they were meant for and look best on the GameCube.-Mega Man 5 18 May 2007 (UTC)

But since they can be used on the wii they are not incompatible with the wii. (just like they are not incompatible with the PS3 the SNES etc etc Harlock jds 11:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

We might as well start talking about the Wii not being backwards compatible with certain entertainment centers (I can't get my Wii up!). They're stickers, not hardware or software. Adding them is like talking about seat covers on a car. Pointless. -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 11:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, that's fine. I just wanted to state why the information should be added to the article, and wanted to know if there would be any changes in anyone's answer. Now I know that the answer is still no, which is fine with me. After my previous post here in the talk page, I was no longer going to keep adding the information (if everyone's answer was still no, and it is). And so, the warning isn't needed. But it's from Harlock jds, so I guess I can't expect anything besides him/her being harsh.-Mega Man 5 18 May 2007 (UTC)

you could have stated your point and asked for feedback without constently reverting the infomation when it was deleted... If good infomation is deleted then someone else will put it back in you don't need to do it yourself.Harlock jds 04:44, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I've added the S-Video cable to the incompatible portion of the article. It has the same plug as the composite cable (the one that connects to the back of a console), so it's incompatible with the Wii and compatible with the SNES, N64, and GC only.-Mega Man 5 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

How come we're not locking this page? It's been vandalized too many times within the last week or so. It's annoying to see the entire page replaced with vulgar language. FyreNWater 01:34, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I filed a RFP, seems like we can't unprotect the page without it being vandalized almost right away. TJ Spyke 01:42, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree to lock this, but I'm too noobish to understand how to. Or restore stuff from vandalism. Anyone care to post some newbie guide for me? Am00nz0r5 01:11, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

The page likely won't get protected since admins don't like protecting pages that are "Today's Featured Article". The page was semi-protected for a long time, but was unprotected in preparation for this. See WP:Vandalism for strategies on fighting vandalism. TJ Spyke 01:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

We can't lock it right now, it's the Article of the Day. --LuigiManiac 01:20, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Considering this page is a featured artical and is on the main page shouldn't the page be locked. Rob mc 1 17:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Being on the main page is the reason it's not locked. --Maxamegalon2000 17:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry did not know that is was not locked for that reason. All i know it that this artical normally gets vandalised when not locked and with it on the main page and more taffic would also mean more vandalism. i was not impressed with the micheal wolfe edit. i was impressed however by how fast it cam off. it was removed before i got to my computer. Rob mc 1 17:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Just got vandalized by taking away everything and writing Fukusdff...I reverted it, I think. I went into History, went to the last good version, and hit Save. Sorry if I did something wrong. I'm rather new to editing.

I suggest that you ask the admins to ban every who vandilises. Since Wii rules. Kill all Vandilizaers! Ļăŋ, Đřăĝόʼn Ķňĭģħŧ Ŏf Ĺĭģĥť 22:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

y does it say weed and Wiid??? wtf? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.216.48 (talk • contribs)

is it just me, or is Acoole vandalizing the page a lot? it seems that large unreasonable amounts of text have been removed. is it possible to lock a single person or ban then from the page? FyreNWater 22:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

All of his edits have been vandalism, and he has been given a final warning. If he vandalizes again, he will probably get a permanent block as a vandalism-only account. TJ Spyke 23:23, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Availability?

I was wondering if information on how many units are supposed to be available each month and an approximation of how they are distributed would be pertinent information for this article. Gopherbassist 02:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

We could possibly get shipment numbers from Nintendo, but how they are distributed would probably be OR since I don't recall Nintendo ever detailing that. TJ Spyke 02:09, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, but I do know that the Wii has been out for 33 weeks, and its been sold out all 33 weeks.FrogTape 20:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Wii injuries?

While I agree with the above comments about a list of Wii induced injuries, shouldn't at least some mention be given to it? We already mention technical issues and legal issues, along with wrist strap problems. Plenty of people have written about being sore after playing wii, I read a news article on how the actions the wiimote requires causing soreness, even proposing that it might be referred to as "Wii Syndrome" soon enough. It's definitely been talked about enough that it deserves at least a passing mention, does it warrant it's own section though? -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 12:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

It would be helpful if you specified which news article you read. Just64helpin 18:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

It was about a week ago, unfortunately. Sites like Kotaku and Joystiq probably mention it some, but I got it from an actual newspaper.-- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 17:10, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, I think if the person is stupid enough to play that long, it's thier fault. I admit I am stupid enough to play that long. (I should register here, shouldn't I?)24.224.252.119 16:26, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't think I would call anybody stupid for playing to the point of aggravating an injury... but people can play that long :) While I've had many sore mornings after some intense Wii Tennis, I did have one incident in which I rotated my shoulder in such a way that it downright hurt--not your RSI type problem. I think a mention of Wii-related injuries is deserved, but unless someone gets seriously injured I doubt it would justify much more than a line. There is also an article on CNN refering to 'Wiiitis' If it's not tennis elbow, it may be 'Wiiitis'User:Yoooder

Wii elbow

what? nothing? =( __earth ^(Talk) 08:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Huh? TJ Spyke 09:09, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

(Note: Tennis elbow is called Tennis elbow, even if it's caused by something by different physical activity.) I don't think that adding an "overuse injury" section would pose a problem, as long as it's properly sourced. So if you want to take on that project, feel free to do so. --Jbanes 17:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Creating a paragraph within the "Reception" section would be more appropriate. Just64helpin 21:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Wii Elbow, as in the name for any ailments one might receive from playing Wii. Previous generation consoles, and well the PS3 and 360 too, it has been generally accepted that injuries caused from playing them with the old style controllers could be called the Nintendo Thumb, which is pretty much RSI from using buttons for too long on an old style controller. Wii Elbow is pretty much an extension of Nintendo Thumb, as if Nintendo Thumb wasn't coined then I don't believe Wii Elbow would have been either. Haha, will you look at that, why am I even explaining it, there is already a nintendo thumb wiki page. JayKeaton 00:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Just incase anyone thinks it is worthy of adding in to the artical wii elbow is no longer just "tennis elbow" and now has its own name: Wiiitis, and it is reconized in an england medical jurnul (i know i spelt it wrong shaddup). if you need proof go here: http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/06/wiiitis-on-the-rise-with-wii-players-reports-doctor/ or check G4TV.com/thefeed for mor info 70.190.109.11 01:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

A new disease called "Acute Wiitis" has been documented as a media case. The cause of this disease is by playing too much motion simulated games in front of the Nintendo Wii, such as the tennis game. It was reported that playing the real physical game may not cause such a problem. However, with this new game console, players are too engrossed to overplay which leads to serious joint problems. check out the source http://www.webmd.com/news/20070606/nintendo-game-sparks-acute-wiitis?src=RSS_PUBLIC for this recent health news. Arielfang 22:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)arielfang

It's nothing new. This can be caused by any physical activity. Lrrr IV 22:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

i know i was just saying now it has a name of its own medicaly. 72.208.177.101 10:24, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Game Boy Advance

I have seen mention of this in another article, and think that it should be expanded on, although I do not understand what exactly it means. Under controllers in the History of video game consoles (seventh generation)#Comparison it mentions Game Boy Advances. Does anyone know what this means? Laptopdude 01:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I assume it means for the GameCube games that use GBA's (like The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures or Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles). No Wii games use GBA's. TJ Spyke 02:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_video_game_consoles_%28seventh_generation%29&diff=131454178&oldid=131440844 I clarified it here, hope that helps -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 02:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

THen your wrong thats not what it means. 70.190.109.11 01:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Since this article has a section on Wii's Nintendo DS connectivity shouldn't there also be at least some mention of Wii's Game Boy Advance and e-Reader connectivity as well. Maybe its not significant enough to warrant its own section like the DS connectivity since only GameCube games (like Animal Crossing, Pac-man Vs., Wind Waker and Four Sword Adventures) support the feature, but a sentence or two briefly mentioning it in the Backward compatibility section might not be a bad idea.172.149.3.163 11:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

It's already mentioned in the Backwards Compatibility section that the Wii doesn't support the Game Boy Player (and thus, the e-Reader as well). TJ Spyke 20:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the user was referring to the Nintendo GameCube Game Boy Advance Cable, which can connect to the Wii through the GCN controller ports. Just64helpin 20:29, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Just64helpin is correct, I was referring to the e-Reader and GBA's connectivity though the use of the Nintendo GameCube Game Boy Advance Cable.172.146.120.113 21:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

The article already contains the blanket statement "Peripherals can be connected via a set of four GameCube controller ports..." Just64helpin 21:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

True enough. It just seems a bit vague not to mention the GBA connectivity just because of the blanket peripheral statement. Look at it from the perspective of a first time gamer reading this article. If you were reading about the Wii for the first time and didn't know there was a GBA-GCN link cable peripheral there is no way you are going to come to the conclusion that the Wii has GBA connectivity just from that one blanket statement (unlike Wii's DS connectivity, which is directly stated).172.146.120.113 21:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Additions to Reception

I'd like the following noted in the Reception section, possibly around the "Free Radical Design has stated that the Wii hardware lacks the power necessary to run the software they have scheduled for release on other seventh-generation consoles" section. should mention all of these reception ideas, and the articles linked.

Moreover, the second paragraph of the reception section is very poorly constructed - the statemnets are disjoined and provide little insight or context. The paragraph is also very difficult to read, it is --based on the manner in which this article is "managed"-- overly brief for the purposes of making it obtuse.

1. 1) The article makes no mention of the huge press response / discussion "Wii is a piece of shit" comment by Spore Developer Chris Hecker @ GDC 2007.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/771/771051p1.html

1. 2) Futher, this article (http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16099) says "Developers say Wii is Gamecube 1.5"
2. 3) Wii apparently lacks modern graphics capabilities (GPU); "The Wii's GPU has fixed functions for vertex, lighting, and pixel operations...the Wii is an older fixed function design where you have lots of operations but the pipelines are not programmable in the sense of downloading shader code to run [on them]." http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2007/05/08/geek-out-xbox-uber-boss-robbie-bach-takes-a-shot-at-nintendo-s-underpowered-wii-does-he-manage-to-score-a-bulls-eye-or-just-shoot-himself-in-the-foot.aspx

The Wii is widely and frequently criticised for being a marginal improvment over the Gamecube, but this article makes not a mention of this fact. The Reception section should include far more discussion of this. Wageslave 03:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

1)You mean where just a few hours later the guy took back the comments? It was only in the news for a couple of days. I don't see it as a big deal here, since the press was over him and not really the system. 2)That statement is already in the article. 3)The specs are already in the article and mentions that they aren't as "modern" as Xbox 360 and PS3. The article shouldn't have a "discussion" of anything, it already includes mentions that some people critisized it for not being a huge improvement over the GameCube. You aren't really asking for anything that isn't already included. The only point I agree on is that maybe the second paragraph can be constructed a little better. TJ Spyke 04:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Being the Wii is Gamecube 1.5, perhaps the the references to "7th Generation" should be removed. Knowing that Nintendo has ceased moving to "modern" hardware, why is this article reputing the Wii is "7th Generation"? Wageslave 02:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

The Wii is not "GameCube 1.5", that is just what some people are calling it. The Wii is part of the 7th Generation of systems, regardless of whether it is as powerful as Xbox 360/PlayStation 3 or not. TJ Spyke 03:30, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

The Leapfrog Leapster was released last year, is this also a "7th Generation" machine? Being that the Wii is Gamecube 1.5 + Wiimote, is it correct to suggest that it is in the same technological family as the other 7th Gen machines? Your refusing to see the forest here TJSpyke. The article is misleading in the extreme, information regarding the Wii's position in and current marketplace is being misrepresented. That is why I suggest an expansion of the reception section, to illuminate the situation. Are you intending on supressing or misrepresenting Wii's releationship to its Gamecube roots? As we see in the article I provided, the Developer Kits shipped with the same darn documentation(!) Wageslave 03:53, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

The Leapfrog is a childrens toy, not a video game system. What you are saying is like saying those little $1.99 chain games are game systems. You would sound more intelligent if got GameCube and Wii Remote names right. The article is not "misleading" at all, the Wii is a 7th generation system regardless how how much more powerful it is compared to GameCube. I don't want to judge, but your edit history makes you look like you are just anti-Nintendo. You keep saying the Wii isn't a 7th gen system just because it is isn't as powerful as the other two 7th gen systems (although Wii is outselling both in every region of the world and will take over the #1 spot by the end of the year), and the Wii technical problems article you created was 90% filled with general messageboard complaints (what does a "lack of games" have to do with technical problems?) Seems like you just have a beef with the Wii in general. TJ Spyke 04:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

A month-and-a-half ago, Insomniac Games chief creative officer Brian Hastings posted a blog entry discussing why the PS3 will become market leader by 2010. Despite the majority of the list being irrelevant to the Wii, it should be noted his bullet point about the "Wii fad" fading:

"7. The Wii Fad Will Fade

OK, this one’s going to be controversial, but I have to say it. I like Nintendo a lot. I think Nintendo has innovated far more than any other company in the industry. And I think the Wii is really, really fun. But… let me relate to you a story that may sound familiar:

Your friend Reggie invites you over for a Wii Party. It’s awesome. You and your friends partake in whatever beverages are legally appropriate for your age group. The next day everyone who went to the party rushes out and buys a Wii.

A week later Reggie hosts another Wii Party. This time only half the group comes. It’s still fun, but there isn’t quite as much shoving to get at the Wiimote.

The next week Reggie hosts another Wii Party. You tell him you have bird flu.

Obviously I’m exaggerating, but the Wii does have many characteristics of popular mainstream fads. It’s instantaneously accessible, it’s unlike anything you’ve tried before, and it’s great fun to share with friends. In short, it’s everything Nintendo said it would be and it has captured the world’s imagination. The only downside is that the world is easily distracted. Tickle Me Elmo captured the world’s attention at one point, as did Furbies. They were both instantly accessible, were unlike anything people had seen before, and were fun to share with friends. But a year later, after everyone had seen them and tried them out, their popularity waned.

The Wii is currently riding on a massive wave of mainstream attention and has been purchased by lots of people who don’t normally play games. But how many of those people who are hooked on Wii Sports will also buy Wii Need For Speed? Mainstream fads usually run their course within a year. As the honeymoon period fades, the Wii will be going up against more and more graphically impressive games on the PS3 and Xbox 360. More people will be buying HD televisions and looking for the most immersive and stunning experiences available. For these reasons, I think the Wii will be more successful than the GameCube or N64 but in the long run will still be outsold by the PS3." -Brian Hastings, 27 March, 2007

I am going to reference the article to the GameSpot report, as people seeking additional information will be required to register. IamtheFrohman 21:40, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Looks good. We can certainly use a site that requires registration as a source, just as we can use a book or newspaper article that isn't online. --Maxamegalon2000 22:21, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Insomniac Games is owned by Sony (or second party, I forgot which), of coarse he's going to put down the competition. PS3 has never outsold the Wii and just dropped belowe 100K for the month in America/10K last week in Japan (for comparison, the the PS2 has only dropped below 10K in Japan twice in the last 7 years, both when the PS2 was suffering a worldwide shortage in November 2000). In short, he is not an unbiased source. Should we put Reggie's comments on the competition into their articles? I don't think so either. TJ Spyke 00:33, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Great minds think alike, so I agree with you TJ. magiciandude 14:11, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I can also source an industry personality saying that the Wii can play any videogame for any other platform and that graphical differences are a non issue. But I don't think that is necessary as there isn't really anyone bothered either way about the graphics not running certain games, at least anyone without bias or agenda, so it's a non issue really JayKeaton 00:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Kids with asthma

I would like to know if anyone has had a problem with their child who has asthma playing the WII. My 6 year old wants a WII system but we are a little afraid it may affect his asthma. We pretty much have it under control and don't know it this could trigger an attack or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.10.1 (talk • contribs)

As long as he doesn't flail his arms around he should be fine. Not many Wii games should need a kid to exert himself to that degree.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 03:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

This isn't a messageboard, but I won't remove the edit. Just remember that you don't have to "wail" the controller. You can technically just do a little flick of you wrist to do most actions of the controller. Even games like WarioWare: Smooth Moves shouldn't be a problem. TJ Spyke 03:45, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

For future reference, talk pages are for discussing the article, not its subject. But yeah, the commercials pretty much universally exaggerate the physical action associated with normal gameplay. While an excited player may be more enthusiastic in their gestures, there's really no need in most games to do more than a PC game with a keyboard and mouse would require. --Maxamegalon2000 03:52, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

That question could very well be related to this article, except that doctors recommend that asthmatics exercise and keep their fitness levels up to help their conditions, so it's not an issue. If it is a child that has had major problems with asthma and isn't old enough to realize if he/she is exerting himself too hard, then like any form of exercise you should guide and train that child into playing the Wii responsibly. It's all common sense really JayKeaton 00:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

• My brother and I both have asthma (he has been to the hospital twice because he wasn't breathing), and we have had no problems at all with the Wii. Purplepurplepurple 03:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Once again, talk pages are supposed to discuss improvements to the article, not just for discussion about the topic in general. ffm ✎talk 13:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Wii external links

I think there should be a link to the Wii coverage at xLeague.tv as it has coverage from the United Kingdom launch of the Wii. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryoga3099 (talk • contribs)

This is something that should be discussed at Wii launch, it doesn't belong in the main Wii article. TJ Spyke 17:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it shouldn't be in the Wii article. It is already in the Wii launch article. Just64helpin 17:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that should be included a link to http://wadooa.com/doku.php/consola_wii its a LatinAmerican wikipage that have lots of interesting topics in spanish, the link could be in external as:

Wii Comunity in spanish or somethink like that. see you :) Risoto2000 14:58, 13 April 2007 (UTC)risoto2000

If it's in Spanish, it belongs on the Spanish Wikipedia, not here. Tim (Xevious) 12:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion to include http://www.wiichat.com in the unofficial Wii websites, being the largest unofficial community for Wii. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.3.13.179 (talk) 14:42, 3 May 2007 (UTC).

I don't agree of having "unofficial pages" for wii if some of them are omitted by an user that do not agree. So either we remove the section of add some others as I have suggested. I believe these links I'm placing will help the community of Wii owners. I do not own any of these pages so I don't get a penny in case spam seems to be the problem. --alfiboy 00:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Read WP:EL or the section we have. External links are allowed, but they have to be discussed BEFORE adding them. Your "inlcude my fanboy links or remove them all" attitude will not be tolerated. It doesn't matter what you think about the section, we go by consensus. IF there is a consensus that you links should be included, then (and ONLY then) will they be allowed. TJ Spyke 00:57, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't care what you think you don't own this page and neither do I. --alfiboy 01:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

No, but I followe WP rules, which you are violating by spamming the page. I suggest you stop before you get blocked. TJ Spyke 01:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Stop spamming this page and do not make Threats. We need to discuss with people willing to listen. This kind of behavior will be reported. --alfiboy 01:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

You do releaized you just warned yourself? You are the one adding spam links (the external links already on the page have been discussed here before and consenus was yo include them, check the archives). You have recieved your final spam warning (the first level warning clearly says do NOT put the link back in without consensus). The next time you put the spam links back in you WILL be blocked. TJ Spyke 01:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

He's very clearly not threatening you, he's telling you what will happen if you continue to violate WP policy. Once again, you've failed to gain consensus on your links, which should be the first thing you do, especially after you're warned. You are quite clearly the one violating WP policy here. Please do not do it again. Also, see WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 01:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I also endorse TJ Spyke's position, and recommend that Alfiboy read the discussions about this in the archives. This article actually has one of the more thorough and consistent means of determining consensus on external links that I've seen. --Maxamegalon2000 02:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Any possibility of the inclusion of WiiChat.com in this section? It's consistantly the top unofficial community for Wii (check the Google serps) amoungst Wii owners, i dont understand why other lower quality sites are included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.3.13.179 (talk • contribs)

Finding your Wii number???

I have a Wii and I thought I already knew everything about it, but does anyone know how to find a 16 digit Wii number? I'm guessing that's like your friend code, but I don't yet have any games that have given me one. I wanted to know if there's a way to find it so I could register at this site: http://www.mapwii.com/wii-number/index.cfm Which by the way, anyone else with a Wii should register too.Link's Awakening 06:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

The Wii console friend code can be found in the address book, which is accessed from the message board of the Wii Menu. Just64helpin 09:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Link's Awakening 21:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I would just like to point out that this info is included in the instruction manual that comes with the Wii. Lrrr IV 22:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I have a Wii and I couldn't figure out the friend code thing, either, so don't feel like you're the only one. Useight 16:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Wiimote accelerometers produced by ST Microelectronics

As another bit of info to add to this article, the accelerometer chips (MEMS) are produced by ST Microelectronics. The press release for this is here.

Einonm 17:37, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

That would be better suited for the Wii Remote article, if it isn't already there. Just64helpin 17:44, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

As a note, ST makes the Nunchuk accelerometer, Analog Devices makes the one for the Wii Remote. The press release is ambiguous, and is not specific about the matter. Dancter 22:50, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Number of Wiimotes

Nowhere in the article does it state that up to 4 wiimotes can connect at once. Isnt that an important bit of information? Should something be added? Laptopdude 22:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. I just found where it says it. Laptopdude 22:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

No problem, it's a long article. Useight 16:23, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Internet access

I was wondering if the following can be done: Suppose I am a potential customer living in Europe (I in fact am) but for one reason or the other (elitism, cultural background,etc) prefer to play my games in Japanese and decide to purchase a Japanese console. Would I be able to access the internet and purchase old games using my europe-based internet connection? I think that's useful information you could add to the article. -- Ishikawa Minoru 13:54, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Regional lockout is mentioned in the "Software library" section, but could use more detail. Just64helpin 14:16, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

You could still access the internet, but the VC is locked to the system. If you have a Japanese Wii, you will only be able to buy games from the Japanese Virtual Console (which means you would also need a Japanese credit card or Japanese VC points cards as well). TJ Spyke 20:59, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I see. It's useless then, I suppose. -- Ishikawa Minoru 22:06, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Reception section: Slanted?

I noticed that the Reception section has much more negative points than positive points, and runs contrary to how the general public is receiving it. I feel that it is biased against the Wii. Certain positive opinions of the Wii should be better represented on the article, otherwise there may be undue weight.--Kylohk 11:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

You are free to expand the section with sourced content. Just64helpin 11:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I've added an interview of Ubisoft with the German magazine Spiegel, where they apologized for the bad quality of their early titles.--Kylohk 12:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Well now the article has more good things about the wii than bad, I'm going to add one more to the bad just so that it doesn't seem that the article is biased in any way. Starwarsrulez 01:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I hope you are kidding. There doesn't need to be an exact amount. TJ Spyke 01:05, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

If there is more good things than bad or vice versa it will look biased. Besides the more content the better. Starwarsrulez 01:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

There doesn't need to be every single response. Besides, if a negative thing is added there will be another (of the MANY out there) positive thing. Almost everything said about the Wii has been positive, so it makes sense that there should be more positive stuff in the article. Most of the negative stuff has come from graphics whores who think graphics are more important than gameplay (like Factor 5). A comment about "two anonymous" people doesn't really add anything to the article. TJ Spyke 01:21, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I've read your profile and you seem to prefer Nintendo's systems over Sony's or Microsoft's. The fact that the Wii is a Gamecube 1.5 is important. Now I own a Wii and I think it's a great system, but I think it needs to be clear the only next-gen thing about it is the controller. Besides it wasn't from two nobody's it was form publishers who make games for the consolesStarwarsrulez 01:24, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

It is a next gen system, period. Just because it's graphics aren't as advanced doesn't change that. Your edit didn't add anything relevant to the article. 2 anonymous people say it isn't flexible? How does that add anything to the article? If I wanted to, I could add dozens of sources that make it clear that the Wii is whooping the PS3 and Xbox 360 everywhere in the world, but I haven't. TJ Spyke 01:30, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

It says that in the sells. IT"S PUBLISHERS THAT SAID THAT NOT TWO RANDOM PEOPLE OFF OF THE STREET! Starwarsrulez 01:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

You still haven't said what it adds to the article (hint:nothing). Why should the comment be included in the article when it adds nothing? It seems like you just wanted to find something negative about the Wii. Fine, I will just find more positive things (which won't be hard because almost everybody is saying something positive). Also, there are already more negative points than positive points in the article, so how can you claim with a straight face that the article is bias towards the Wii? TJ Spyke 01:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

It's seven positive points and seven negative points. I have said that it shows that the hardware such as the GPU and CPU of the Wii aren't MAJOR improvements over the Gamecube version.Starwarsrulez 01:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

They are random people though. People aren't always who or what they claim to be, wikipedia knows this well. There are plenty of people who DO know what they're talking about who HAVE spoken out publicly, put their name on the line, those people are sources, two random "developers" (for all we know, two kids making flash games) are not -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 01:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, there doesn't need to be an exact same amount of positive and negative points, and most of the positive points are just listing awards the system has won and one is Ubisoft apologizing for most of their early Wii games being crap (hardly a "positive" point). TJ Spyke 01:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Fine then, but I will take the Ubisoft part out. Starwarsrulez 01:43, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what you've got against the Wii, but please stop removing sourced and relevant content from the article without discussing it enough to gain consensus. I've got half a mind here to report you for 3RR or WP:POINT, please don't bring it to that -- Phoeba Wright^OBJECTION! 01:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I was just reporting him myself, but somebody already beat me to do it. 5 reverts in the last 2 hours, easy violation. TJ Spyke 01:57, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Good to see the article now mentioning that Sega executive's change of mind.--Kylohk 16:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC) In the article he never praises the Wii's success, it just mentions how the Wii is outselling the PS3 5-1. He just said in the update that Sega has been behind the Wii since day one. Should I change it?Miseryrevived 17:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I changed the wording to reflect this. Just64helpin 17:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Disc capacity

In a paragraph 4 here is a phrase "Retail copies of Wii games are supplied on DVD-like optical discs, which have a capacity of 8.5 Gigabytes". Actually the disc capacity is a 4.3 Gigabytes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.211.80.253 (talk • contribs)

Do you have a source for that? Just64helpin 14:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Proof , PleaseLozmaster 14:37, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

There doesn't appear to be a source either number, so I am removing the segment. Just64helpin 15:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

They are stored on DVD discs, dual layer discs have 8.5 Gb, single layeyer have 4.7. Starwarsrulez 16:58, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

They are not technically stored on DVDs, so the logic doesn't quite work in that respect. Just64helpin 17:12, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Region free system?

Is the Wii region free? I can't seem to find the answer anywhere in the article, which leads me to believe it isn't. // DecaimientoPoético 15:39, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

In the "Software Library" section, it says "Perrin Kaplan had originally stated that the system would be region-free.[76] However, corrections from Nintendo of America and Nintendo of Europe concurred that the console does support regional lockout.[77]" So, no it's not region-free. Leebo ^T/C 16:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you meen by region free. Please explain.--Gundor Twintle Fluffy 12:24, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Region free = games from any country (Japan, Europe, US, etc.) can be played on a system from any country. For example, Bleach Wii: Hakujin Kirameku Rondo could be played on a US Wii. // DecaimientoPoético 18:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Certain electronic devices can be, and often are, designed to identify the media that they use (DVDs, video games, etc), and only work with media that is encoded as being designed for that "region". One of the best examples of this is the DVD player. The DVD industry has divided the world into different geogrpahic regions, and in general, the DVD players sold in that region are programmed to only play the DVDs encoded to work in that region. There are several reasons for doing this. One reason that the DVD industry gives is that movies are released in different parts of the world at different times, and having regions allows the DVD industry to sell a motion picutre on DVD in one region, while it still may be playing in the cinemas of a different region. The DVDs sold in the first region, will not work in the DVD players sold in the second region, because the majority of DVD players sold in the second region are programmed to only play DVDs for that region. Additionally, it also allows the industry to create artificial price differences that would not otherwise exist. The DVD indistry wants to maximize profit by selling for whatever price will provide the most revenues in that region. That usually means having to charge different prices in different parts of the world. Without the regions creating an artificial price barrier, the price would have to be the same worldwide, or people would simply purchase their DVDs from whereever they are sold the cheapest, since they can be easily sent through the mail.

Similarly, the video game industry can have the concept of regions applied to it, so that different prices can be charged for the same game in different parts of the world, based on what the industry knows people are willing to pay.. For example: Maximum profit for a game sold in the US will be realized by charging US$25, for the game. But if they charged US$25 for that same game in Africa, they would not receive as much revenue than if they charged US$15. So a region system can be designed so that the games sold in Africa will not work on the players sold in the US. Otherwise, people from the US might mail order their games from Aftrica at US$15, instead of paying US$25 in the US. Steggall 14:24 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Steggall, have you read WP:OR lately? Just64helpin 13:07, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

New Wii Colors

Shigeru Miyamoto stated that other colors would be available after the easing of supply limitations, which were stated to continue until (northern) Spring.

Northern Spring ended a few days ago. Does anyone have any updated information of the release date for new Wii colors? -- Bse3 17:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, there is no new information. However, E3 2007 is coming up (July 11 - 13, I think) and they may announce colors there. Useight 21:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The Wii is still supply constrained, I don't think anybody (even Nintendo) expected the demand to continue to be so high 7 months after first releasing. TJ Spyke 21:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Wii graphics, power

I know that Nintendo itself has stated that Wii is only about twice as powerful as GCN (if not less). However I forgot where I saw it. Can anyone help find a source? Nintenboy01 22:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I've read the same thing too. so you have a witness i guess. but unfortunatly i cant remember where i read it either. a magazine maybe? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.28.44.221 (talk • contribs)

Although I don't think the 360 and PS3 can compete with the Wii, I have a story around graphics. The original inventor of successful video game consoles developed processing power and could make good graphics using them. Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo went to this man and asked how to make graphics revolutional. The man says just double the processing power. Sony and Microsoft do so, but Nintendo refuses. My question is why? I don't think it would kill the article to mention this. If the Wii was competing with the 360 and PS3 as far as graphics go, the Wii would get crushed before it got to the starting line. 45% of all video games are graphics. If a game has poor graphics, than the game is poor. This is in the Wii's case. Although the Wii can crush both consoles as far as fun goes, this is an area that was poorly adressed. And did you know the Wii has less memory than the gamecube? Another poorly adressed area. Any thoughts?--Gundor Twintle Fluffy 19:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Source for the memory comment? Anyway, I think it is highly inaccurate to say that a game is 45% graphics. a horrible game with beautiful graphics is still a horrible game. A great game with not-so-beautiful graphics is still a great game. Chibi-Robo, for example. I really don't see what you are trying to say. Please clarify your paragraph, as it really does not make sense. LN3000 19:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't say the Wii is funner, it can get boring, but a game can't be perfect if it's graphics are crap, if they are passable like most Wii games it's ok though. What is with the memory, the Gamecube didn't even have internal memory did it? I don't think processing power matters that much with graphics. Look at the PS3's CPU, it crushes Mirosoft's CPU, but the graphics for most games are roughly equal, the Xbox agruably has a bit better graphics but Sony has Processing Power by miles. Starwarsrulez 19:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

To get back on topic, Miyamoto's reasoning on graphics is mentioned in the beginning of the "History" section. This can be further expanded with sourced content. Just64helpin 20:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I found the memory on a nintendo site, but I can't remember which one, so don't include it in the article. And I know the gamecube doesn't have internal memory, so disreguard that statement, I just remember reading that it had less memory. I didn't understand, so I probably shouldn't have put that. I also remember reading that a game is 45% graphics, but it wasn't on the nintendo site. Games with good graphics just feel better than games that don't. For me anyway. It just seems like nintendo isn't ready to come in to 7th generation as far as graphics go. Compared to the 360 and PS3's HD graphics. I'm not insulting the Wii, I just think Nintendo could have done better.--Gundor Twintle Fluffy 12:18, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

does it matter if Wii doesn't have HD graphics, because I remember one guy said the gameplay and story of a game matters the most. so enough with the comments with Wii losing to Xbox 360 and PS3 easily or a game isn't perfect without good graphics. so remember bad graphics don't ruin the whole game experience! 67.164.35.55 22:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Add this link

Nintendo recently launched an official Myspace page for the Wii, found here: http://www.myspace.com/howwiiplay

I think it should be added since it is official. Miles Blues 02:39, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

How can we be sure it's official? I have seen fake MySpace profiles that looked real. Also, we generally don't add MySpace links anyways ("we" as in Wikipedia in general, not just this page). See WP:EL#Links normally to be avoided TJ Spyke 02:56, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Proper use of "Virtual Console"

There are multiple instances on this page where the term "Virtual Console" is used where I feel it would probably be more appropriate to say "Wii Shop Channel". Keeping in mind that the Virtual Console is merely a section of the Wii Shop, having "Virtual Console" listed along side WiiConnect24, Internet Channel, Forecast Channel, Everybody Votes Channel, and the News Channel under "Online connectivity" just doesn't seem appropriate. It seems to me that "Wii Shop Channel" is better fitting for that section. I'd say this also applies to the "Online service" grouping displayed under the main image, and I don't see how "Wii Menu" belongs there either. --75.24.29.211 14:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)