Talk:William Joyce

Merger proposal

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A proposal has been made that William Joyce and Lord Haw-Haw be merged. A merger discussion wasn't started, so I am doing so. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:56, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

• Keep as is. The Lord Haw-Haw article is discussing the general phenomenon of the sobriquet, and clearly states that there are other possible candidates for the title. It is impossible to prove at this point in time, however Wolf Mittler is a particularly compelling candidate for the title of the original Lord Haw-Haw. Just because the two have become linked in the public mind, it does not mean WP should not maintain the distinction. There is a touch of WP:SYNTH about this move, obviously unintentional, or at least that is what I am picking up. Just feel uneasy about it. Simon Adler (talk) 23:09, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

• Keep as is. I just did a major expansion of Lady Haw-Haw for which I translated from my own English piece into German because I need to demonstrate German writing skills. Here it is https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Joyce -- I propose to add this to the English W Joyce piece, she doesn't merit an article of her own, no way.

Petercascio (talk) 05:23, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

How is that relevant?--Jack Upland (talk) 07:31, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

• Merge: William Joyce is commonly identified as Lord Haw-Haw. I think we can link to other "candidates" (what does that actually mean???), but I think Joyce should be the predominant person.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:22, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
• Keep as is They are two separate subjects and functionally different. As time passes, more information will be released from the archives about Lord Haw Haw, which will expand the article accordingly, and provide additional detail that is not present at the moment. scope_creep^Talk 14:37, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

What does "functionally different" mean? How do you know further information will be released, and why is that relevant?--Jack Upland (talk) 19:15, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

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Eastern Parallel

The singer/actress Yoshiko Yamaguchi was in a similar position to William Joyce after the second world war, but suffered a very different fate. She was born to Japanese parents in Manchuria, but used Chinese names given by her (Chinese) "godparents" while studying and working in Peking. From 1938 she acted in films of a propagandist nature, often portraying a Chinese girl who falls in love with a Japanese man. She used the Chinese stage name of Li Hsiang-Lan and the impression given was that she was herself Chinese. Chinese responses to her behaviour were mixed. Soon after the war she was arrested for treason, but was released after being shown to be of Japanese birth. She was allowed to go to Japan, and resumed her career there and later in Hollywood (as Shirley Yamaguchi) and Hong Kong, married an ambassador and served three terms in the Japanese Senate.

If the English judiciary had been as independent as that of the Republic of China, William Joyce would have been acquitted, though he might not have been able to resume his broadcasting career and probably would not have achieved high office in either Germany or the United States. NRPanikker (talk) 20:37, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Column issue

User:Beyond My Ken your preferred column choice may look great in your browser, but only uses half my browser width, so looks bad to me. The fact that it uses fixed columns is also objectively bad. It is also against H:COL But don't use this variety to set numbered or bulleted lists in columns, because "col-break" breaks the list up, which is a problem for accessibility. so instead of edit warring over this, you will want to self-revert as against the how to guide, or get wider consensus for your contested edit. Widefox; talk 18:53, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

It uses only half my browser width as well, which is one reason it looks better -- and no, I'm not going to do any of those things for this terribly trivial issue you;ve chosen to get aggresive about. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:13, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Care to address the accessibility H:COL ? Are there other articles that you've used that style for?

Which of these markups do we both agree on (eliminating the ones not allowed per accessibility)

1. Y colbegin colend is OK per H:COL [1]

2. N col-begin col-break col-end [2] [3]

3. Y columns-list [4]

4. other

"aggresive"? I suggest you refrain from words like "shitty" [5] and not talk nonsense and address the actual issue! Widefox; talk 07:00, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

User:Beyond My Ken No reply here yet, and banned from your talk [6] so if you're not discussing this any more, WP:BRD [7] gets this going. Widefox; talk 20:11, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Execution

Why was Joyce sentenced to death when Donald Grant was only sentenced to serve six months in prison? (Xerze1 (talk) 17:54, 9 May 2020 (UTC))