Talk:William de la Pole, 1st Duke of Suffolk

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"It was suspected" that Suffolk's arch enemy, Richard of York, was behind his execution? Can someone provide a source for this, and indicated who suspected it? At the time of Suffolk's banishment and murder, Richard of York was in residence as governor of Ireland and didn't return to England until late summer or early fall of 1450. Given the history between the two there is plenty of reason to think that they were rivals and even enemies, but I'm not aware of any sources that show a connection between Richard and the murder. As my knowledge of the period is quite limited, however, I'd appreciate being pointed to a reference. Thanks. Pmacbee (talk) 18:49, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

A very detailed academic analysis of the circumstances, and of the documentary evidence, relating to Suffolk's death can be found at http://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/4/4f/Pole-26.pdf Having read through it there seem to have been plenty of posible suspects, but despite the known facts no certain answer. It might perhaps even have been just a freak combination of 'piracy' and bad luck. Cassandra — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.5.100 (talk) 10:14, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Date of marriage

This article has him imprisoned in France from 1429 to 1431 but has him marrying Alice Chaucer in 1430. How did he marry her if he is imprisoned in France? Kevin Rector (talk) 14:49, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Jackanapes

The suggestion that William de la Pole was considered an upstart because "he was one of first nouveau riche nobles, risen from the merchant class" is a bit disingenuous. William was the son and grandson of de la Pole earls of Suffolk and as the second earl of the third generation could hardly be called "nouveau riche"; he came into his wealth the old fashioned way - by inheriting it. While the first earl, his grandfather Michael, was the son of a "mere" wool merchant the family by that time was already extraordinarily wealthy; the first earl's father, Sir William de la Pole, was Edward III's chief financier and chief Baron of the Exchequer. It is more likely that the younger William was considered an upstart because Henry VI promoted him to duke even though he was in no way related to the English royal family unlike most if not all of his contemporary dukes, however tangentially. Donmaps (talk) 02:13, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

The claim that "the family used a collar and chain on its coat of arms' which reminded people of monkey leashes is patently untrue. The de la Pole coat of arms is azure a fess and three leopards' heads gold and William differenced that by quartering it with silver on a bend gules three pairs of wings silver for Wingfield Castle, the de la Pole family estate. The only "collar" on the arms is the garter of the Order of the Garter, added by William on his investiture into the order and unlikely to have been mistaken by any loyal Englishman for a collar. Donmaps (talk) 02:13, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Chamberlain

"In short order he was appointed Chamberlain, Admiral of England, and to several other important offices."

He doesn't appear to be mentioned at Lord Great Chamberlain nor at Lord Chamberlain. Is some other office meant? Harfarhs (talk) 22:41, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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@Citrivescence: thanks for your proactive patrolling of copyright on Wikipedia! But I've restored the material and removed the revdel template. The 1911 EB is okay legally, esp. with attribution. Happy holidays! ——SN54129 10:28, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

...and incidentally, that cool quote on your user page? Without attribution to the writers of Clueless, it's actually more of a copyright issue than anything in this article :) ——SN54129 10:34, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129: Thank you for letting me know. I must be mistaken about the policy as I was under the impression that verbatim text requires attribution via the usage of quotation marks. Anyway, I appreciate the reply. Citrivescence (talk) 03:29, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Feud

Nothing here of his feud with John Mowbray, 3rd Duke of Norfolk. Thanks. Spicemix (talk) 08:36, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi Spicemix! It looks like you're right. I think that's because this is a pretty crappy article written by non-experts, whereas Mowbray is a Featured Article written par moi  :)

In the spirit of WP:BOLD and WP:SOFIXIT, and with close adherence to WP:CWW, feel free to move some stuff from there to here. All the best! SN54129 11:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Feel free to emend my edit, SN54129. Cheers Spicemix (talk) 13:41, 9 July 2023 (UTC)