Talk:Willis Bates

Auburn

The 2012 Media Guide as well as College Football Data Warehouse agree that Willis S. "Billy" Bates was the head coach at Auburn for the 1903 season.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:32, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

It is clear from the 1904 Glomerata (the yearbook at Auburn), that the 1903 varsity football coach was W. P. Bates. That is a first hand source and contemporary source. The media guide & CFDW, therefore are incorrect. See the comparison between File:1903_W._P._Bates_Auburn_football_head_coach.jpg and File:Willis S bates.png. They are not the same person. Earthsound (talk) 21:43, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

See also his page at the Kansas Sports Hall of Fame where it says: "Following his graduation from Brown University, Bates became the first athletic director and coached all sports at Fairmount College (Wichita State)". He started at Fairmont in 1905. If he followed his graduation from Brown with a job in Fairmont in 1905, how was he coaching in Auburn in 1903? Earthsound (talk) 22:01, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I think the W. P. Bates that was at Auburn was William (hence the nickname "Billy") Penn Bates, the fullback from Brown who was the captain of the football team in 1901 (see http://books.google.com/books?id=QfomAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA230&lpg=PA230&dq=%22w.+p.+bates%22+football&source=bl&ots=vQbnxqsiTK&sig=qdW6lPYEb0YKasmD_NcGUEs2F6A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KmAAUbRqjuz0BOjfgGg&ved=0CGwQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=%22w.%20p.%20bates%22%20football&f=false, page 230). He graduated from Brown in 1902 and was born in Providence, RI in 1879, but went to a prep school in Westtown, PA (http://books.google.com/books?id=YN0CAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA550&lpg=PA550&dq=%22william+penn+bates%22+football&source=bl&ots=rmbV50yuL6&sig=lpPSglB2ZAv_Cg7i73skoRCJfME&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KWUAUc72EpHS9QSr2IDIAw&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22william%20penn%20bates%22%20football&f=false). He went to graduate school at Northwestern. I am currently researching source materials for more info. Earthsound (talk) 22:56, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Looks like you're doing some serious due diligence here. I'll step back and watch!--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:15, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

In this photo of the 1900 Brown University football team, [1], you can see William Penn Bates seated in the second row, fourth from the left. There are some other sources available that I haven't gone through, but that should do for now. :) By 1917, he was a civil engineer in San Diego. [2] Earthsound (talk) 19:19, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

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