Talk:Wind-class icebreaker

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Maxarre 21:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

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How did they look at the swedish ymer icebreaker when it wasnt built until the 70s? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.217.150.2 (talk) 19:24, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

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CCGS Labrador

The CCGS Labrador was never operated by the C.F. MARCOM, which was created on 01 February 1968, nor did Labrador ever wear the C.F. MARCOM ensign. By that time (1968) Labrador was on CCG service. Labrador's history was: RCN 1954 to 1957, DOT 1958 to 1962, and CCG 1962 to 1987.Tjlynnjr (talk) 08:54, 20 March 2011 (UTC).

Ymer

The Swedes built two icebrekers named Ymer. The Ymer class Ymer (1931) and the Uhro class Ymer (1977). Tjlynnjr (talk) 21:13, 18 April 2012 (UTC).

The Wikipeadia article on Ymer (1931) has disappeared. Furthermore, the article Ymer (1977) is now Ymer (1976) and of the Atle-class.Tjlynnjr (talk) 10:16, 5 September 2013 (UTC).

See List of icebreakers. Also, a general web search yields more info on Ymer (1931).Tjlynnjr (talk) 10:32, 5 September 2013 (UTC).

When they disappear something, it’s really gone, no clue left. I don’t know if it happened at the same time, but something really ran through Russian Diesel-powered, too. Hope you didn’t lose much good stuff, I keep very little of this. I thought you could always go back, oh well.

Ymer and Sisu could maybe use more in “Icebreaker”. “The world’s first” doesn’t have a build time, and there is no mechanical info on Sisu. I was thinking of “building the first of the Wind class.” Their number, not their design, was important, right? I added a Jane’s page number for Sisu, big deal.

I don’t really like linking from article to article to read about each sister/model/type, the individuals sites are often repetitious and lame. I would rather go to a big place that has it all, or at least much of it. I have tried taking one article and adding stuff from its “cousins”, copy and paste, mostly. Sometimes I include some history in "Development" or "Previous models", something like that. I think I would try to combine stuff into Atle class, or maybe Atle itself. I’ve done it both ways. Make up some tables, if you are good (I'm not). And sometimes you find something in common, and go back and do it to all the rest of them, anyway.

Sammy D III (talk) 15:23, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't recall seeing an article of the first Ymer in Wikipedia. As for articles disappearing in general, I maintain a list of icebreaker articles (extracted from Category:Icebreakers) in my user space for monitoring recent changes, and all articles seem to be present and accounted for (no redlinks). Tupsumato (talk) 05:35, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

I don’t mean to argue. I see a red link at “Icebreaker” and “list of icebreakers”. No clue when they turned red, but I’m thinking I didn’t see the article, and that I probably would have tried to.

I don’t have any books, I imagine that you do, or at least have seen pretty much everything. I Googled up to page 16, all I got was a couple of “influenced by” type of mentions, and those pictures. Lots on the new one, they seem to be used for cruise ships a lot now.

Those pictures, wow, I think that I would have remembered them. “Influenced by” is putting it mildly, copy, counterfeit, knock-off seem more appropriate. THAT was an icebreaker. And an effective diesel electric powerplant in 1930? I play with trains, that is at least five years ahead of any RR. Size, room, weight, they maybe gave ships an advantage.

With its importance, Ymer could use more coverage than it gets. If there is much info out there. I do think that there are too many weak articles about the new icebreakers, but they’re everywhere about everything. That’s P.O.V., though, some find creating new articles fun, I can’t argue with that.

Boy, you do have a lot of stuff up. You seem to have the Baltic, and its three gulfs (I looked at a map), covered as much as the ice does.Sammy D III (talk) 12:23, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

I do have some reference material and just today ordered yet another book about icebreakers in the Baltic Sea. There's not much about the Wind class, but I think Ramsay mentioned it in his 1947 book. Of course American sources are much better because back in those days the information did not travel as fast as it does today and some of it might have become corrupted along the way. I wouldn't go as far as call the Wind-class icebreakers "copies" of Ymer and Sisu. Surely there has been some influence and it's quite likely that some people made a trip across the Atlantic to get some help just like we did in the late 1800s.

If no-one else gets around to write an article about Ymer, I will eventually do it. Tupsumato (talk) 14:40, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

If and when you get to it, you will have one reader for sure. Thanks for your time, have a good evening.Sammy D III (talk) 17:15, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

I just realised I was previously reading about the first Ymer at svenskspråkiga Wikipedia... Ymer (isbrytare, 1931). Saatana perkele, I am a dumb ass. Maybe nothing disappeared. I apologise. Tupsumato and Sammy D III, thanks for your help. I will pay more attention to detail in the future. Best regards and Semper Paratus Tjlynnjr (talk) 07:39, 16 September 2013 (UTC).

You call yourself dumb while reading svensk…, hell, I can’t even spell it. And I did see red links. Maybe the article disappeared long ago, or I just saw someone say he put links in to articles that he hasn’t written yet, those would start out red.

Jumping to an old discussion here. The Ymer-Sisu-Voima connection is discussed in this English language academic article: Small nation, big ships winter navigation and technological nationalism in a peripheral country, 1878–1978 and in the Finnish language PhD by the second author: The state and the making of big industry: the development of shipbuilding industry within societal, technopolitical systems in Finland, 1918–1954 . By the way Ymer was taken into use in 1933, not 1931, which is the year of launching the hull from dock. Arcticon (talk) 07:19, 18 August 2020 (UTC)(talk) 08:16, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Have you seen Viktor Chernomyrdin (icebreaker)? All by himself, that’s pretty good, especially for someone who doubts his English.

Hey, good luck from a landlubber (I may have never even seen a “salty”). Sammy D III (talk) 13:22, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

References

Various photos added

I added a photo of each icebreaker from various years, in assorted views that one may see the differences in appearance over the years. Tjlynnjr (talk) 07:21, 19 August 2013 (UTC).

Northwind museum rumor

I propose deletion of the reference to the museum ship paragraph. No reference to this is in the reference cited. The museum ship sea story is oft-repeated bullshit. However, I wish it were true and would have happened. I have been searching for six years and have found nothing. Semper Paratus Tjlynnjr (talk) 09:52, 19 August 2013 (UTC).

I disagree, sort of. I read the reference, which does not in any way refer to the museum stuff. The ref does support other info on the ship, so I propose leaving it there.

HOWEVER, there is no mention of the museum stuff, and no references to it. If you, with your good faith edits and knowledge of the USCG (which I have checked in the past), feel that it is B.S., I buy your opinion. I am going to delete those two sentences, if someone can come up with any ref, they can put them back. Sammy D III (talk) 17:07, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks Sammy D III. As I said above I wish the story had come true. My only solace is when I have a shave, the mighty steel that once conquered the treacherous polar ice gently scrapes me ugly mug clean. Thank you for your many edits. Be advised that many old shipmates are sharing these articles at Wikipedia with their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

Your efforts to help preserve our Coast Guard history are sincerely appreciated. Semper Paratus, Tjlynnjr (talk) 22:18, 19 August 2013 (UTC).