Talk:Winnie the Pooh (Disney character)

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These two articles again have their own talk page:

• Winnie the Pooh (THIS article about the Disney franchise)
• Winnie-the-Pooh (the article about the original character)

Some previous discussions related to the Disney franchise may be moved here.
(Glad somebody caught that. Thank you!) Proofreader77 (talk) 20:40, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Merge

This should be merged with Winnie The Pooh, For Disney's Winnie The Pooh, is the same Winnoe The Pooh as A A Milne's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.204.215 (talk) 00:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

This was discussed two months ago: see here. --Old Moonraker (talk) 07:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I just want to say how the last line about Darby is thoroughly depressing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.37.240 (talk) 21:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC) they should be merged! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.184.60.235 (talk) 03:46, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Move?

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move to Winnie the Pooh (Disney). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:01, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Winnie the Pooh → Winnie The Pooh (Disney) —

• To many, the difference between name Winnie the Pooh (with spaces, about the Disney version) and name Winnie-the-Pooh (with hyphens, about the character) is a typographical feature not enough to distinguish, on a par with "capitalization or not". Let Winnie the Pooh and similar redirect to Winnie-the-Pooh; let Winnie-the-Pooh hatlink to Winnie-the-Pooh (disambiguation), which should list all Winnie-the-Pooh-related pages. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:00, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
• Agree to move to "Winnie the Pooh (Disney)", but not to your proposed "Winnie The Pooh (Disney)". — ^{\`</sup>CRAZY`(lN)`SANE<sup>`/} (talk • contribs) 06:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
• Support, there's a significant difference between these two articles that should definitely be made clear in their titles. Crazy has a good point, we shouldn't capitalise "The" as if it were his middle name: even the book character has "Ther", not "The", as a middle name :-) Nyttend (talk) 12:29, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
• Agree with proposal to redirect "Winnie the Pooh" to "Winnie-the-Pooh" as hyphens are a poor means of disambiguation. Suggest "Winnie the Pooh (franchise)" as an alternative to "Winnie the Pooh (Disney)". YeshuaDavid • Talk • 12:56, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

• Hesitant Agree. Seems reasonable that the page move will help a casual observer. I'm fine with either "Winnie the Pooh (franchise)" or "Winnie the Pooh (Disney)", but....

*Disagree. However, I do not agree with how the proposed redirecting was laid out. There is no reason to redirect "Winnie the Pooh" to the disamb page when it should redirect to the newly moved page that it was originally based on. The disamb hatlink on appropriate Pooh-related landing pages should be enough.SpikeJones (talk) 21:48, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I think you're confusing what the nominator is suggesting. He or she's saying "Winnie the Pooh" should redirect to "Winnie-the-Pooh", the character, not to a disambiguation page. YeshuaDavid • Talk • 23:33, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Re-reading, perhaps I missed the comma. Still think there should be a clearer hatlink on the redirected page to point to the franchise as well as the disamb page. The casual observer who wanders to the WTP page, as seen by a recent talk comment posted there, may not be aware that there is a distinction between the two if it is not clearly mentioned as such in addition to the disamb page. SpikeJones (talk) 14:14, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support moving to Winnie the Pooh (Disney). Minor spelling variations are unlikely to be useful disambiguators for the reader. Jafeluv (talk) 08:09, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Semi-protected

This page has been temporarily semi-protected because of the repeated addition of unsourced names by IP addresses. Per WP:BLP policy, all names of cast and crew require reiable sources. Those without any sourcing will be removed. Further attempts to add unsourced names may be considered vandalism. — CactusWriter | ^needles 04:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Speculative information in revival section

Per our guidelines at WP:CRYSTAL, WP:NFF and WP:BLP, only those names which have reliable references can be used in this section about an upcoming film. This a future film, still in production, in which there can (and often are) many subsequent delays and changes in personnel. There is no crushing need to add speculative information here at any time. I've deleted the names which do not have a solid reputable reference. (Note that consensus opinion on Wikipedia is that IMDb is not a reliable source for future films -- please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Future films#Resources) It is not up to Wikipedia to report rumors or speculate -- rather only provide factual information supported by solide sources. Please either wait for the film's release, reviews by established journalists of the finished product or official announcements from the production company. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 22:18, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Pooh's gender is actually female. Can we edit this. The written based the character off a bear in Canada. Msimonjr (talk) 01:08, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

"Pooh" for short

Although we sometimes call Winnie the Pooh as "Pooh" the line "or Pooh for short" is not needed. ACMEWikiNet (talk) 02:31, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

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Whitewashing Chinese controversy

An IP has been trying to remove the referenced material from The Guardian and BBC regarding the censorship of the subject's name and image in China. I will leave this as a discussion point for all editors to try and avoid an edit war. Ifnord (talk) 01:07, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

The user behind the said IP address:

Weibo.com is the Chinese Twitter. The "reputed" news sources mentioned by Ifnord claimed that Winnie the Pooh is censored in China.

However, a simple search on weibo.com shows that Winnie the Pooh is not banned: https://s.weibo.com/weibo?q=winnie%20the%20pooh&wvr=6&Refer=SWeibo_box

Furthermore, merchandises related to Winnie the Pooh can be found easily in China as it was documented in my edit (which was deleted by Ifnord) :

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Winnie_the_Pooh_(Disney_character)&oldid=1008565634

The proofs I provided were:

1. Winnie the Pooh plushies can be found easily on taobao.com (Chinese Amazon/ebay equivalent).

Link: https://www.taobao.com/list/product/%E5%B0%8F%E7%86%8A%E7%BB%B4%E5%B0%BC%E7%8E%A9%E5%81%B6_16.htm

2. Winnie the Pooh themed adventures at the Shanghai Disney Park.

Link: https://www.shanghaidisneyresort.com/en/attractions/adventures-winnie-pooh/

3. Original Winnie the pooh animation series available on iqiyi.com (Chinese Hulu/Youtube).

Link: https://www.iqiyi.com/v_19rrgd1pc0.html

Given the wide availability of Winnie in China, it's inaccurate to claim that Winnie the Pooh is banned or censored in China, to say the least.

Therefore, it's necessary to modify the wiki page to reflect the current situation.

--- The user behind the IP address — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎76.95.248.175 (talk) (Comment edited by WPA to remove overemphasized text formatting.)

There are multiple, trusted sources which state the image and Chinese name is banned on Chinese social media and networks. The fact that physical plushies may be available is irrelevant to that discussion. Ifnord (talk) 16:14, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

The user behind the said IP address:

It only takes one click for you to check if Winnie the Pooh is not banned on Chinese social media.

But it seems to me that you didn't notice the link.

So here, let me help you.

This is the screenshot if you go to that Weibo page. The screenshot was made on 2/24/2021 and uploaded to imgur: Link: https://imgur.com/bzY3ZPs

I don't see how any news reports can beat literally countless actual proofs of people making posts about Winnie on Chinese social media.

Mind you, Weibo is a social media website that has 511 million monthly active users while Twitter only has 330 million according to statista.com.

Twitter stats: https://www.statista.com/statistics/282087/number-of-monthly-active-twitter-users/

Weibo stats: https://www.statista.com/statistics/795303/china-mau-of-sina-weibo/

Also, can you point out how the physical plushies being available in China is irrelevant to the discussion about Chinese censorship on Winnie the Pooh?

As it was so profoundly defined by Wikipedia: Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information.

However, the presence of Winnie the Pooh on Chinese social media is suggesting the opposite. And the fact that Winnie the Pooh plushies can be easily found on taobao.com further proves my point.

What about the Disneyland in Shanghai? An actual Winnie the Pooh themed adventure open to all ages every week. This is also strong proof against what the wiki page is claiming.

Given the solid proofs I provided, it's easy to see that Winnie the Pooh is not banned on Weibo.com. And needless to say, Weibo.com is generally perceived as THE CHINESE SOCIAL MEDIA AND NETWORK.

So here is my question: Do you have any genuine proofs to support your claim that Winnie the Pooh is censored on Chinese social media and networks?

I'm not talking about some random news report from a couple of years ago speculating about how the political dynamic in China might be related to a cartoon character.

No.

What I want from you (and the people who think Winnie the Pooh is banned on Chinese social media) is simple and straightforward: actual proofs of Winnie the Pooh getting censored on Chinese social media.

Do you have any?

If not, would you (and the people like you) kindly step away and let me or other people fix this part of the wiki page so we can all get back to whatever we were doing?

76.95.248.175 (talk) 04:04, 25 February 2021 (UTC) The user behind the IP address