Talk:Wolfe-class ship of the line

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 22:46, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

I've got a couple American books on the War of 1812, so I'll see if there's anything new to add from them. Hog Farm _Talk 22:46, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

• Potentially worth quoting: Donald R. Hickey The War of 1812: A Forgotten Conflict p. 195 Had the conflict lasted another year, five of the most powerful warships in the world [St. Lawrence, Wolfe, Canada, Chippewa, and New Orleans] would have been concentrated within thirty-five miles of each other at Kingston and Sackets Harbor on an inland lake with no access to the sea (my other source only obliquely mentions the Wolfe-class ships, merely referencing the laying down of two 120-gun ships, although it does state that St. Lawrence was poorly built). I can provide further bibliographic details for Hickey if you do want to include something from that quote

• I could put that in for sure, if you'd be kind enough to provide the necessary details

• I'm assuming this is an American/British discrepancy I can't explain, but I find it odd that the American sources put a period after "St" in St Lawrence, but the British sources apparently don't

• Assume also, really not my wheelhouse! Interestingly Winfield actually spells it out as "Saint Lawrence"

• "These ships were designed by Thomas Strickland, a shipwright who had been sent from England to assist in the first rate program" - I'm guessing "These ships" are the British ones, but the immediate context of where this sentence is located would suggest the American ones

• Rephrased

• Body has depth of hold at 18' 5", infobox has 18' 4"

• Corrected, the latter is right

• Add to Category:Great Lakes ships?

• Added

Excellent work here; very little to pick on. Hog Farm _Talk 04:27, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

• @Hog Farm: Hi, thanks for the incredibly quick review pick up! Responses above. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 15:54, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

• @Pickersgill-Cunliffe: - I've added the long citation for Hickey 2012. The quote is on p. 195. Hog Farm _Talk 18:10, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

  @Hog Farm: Many thanks, added. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 19:34, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 03:01, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that construction on Wolfe-class ships of the line slowed, sat incomplete for 15 years, and then was cancelled after the War of 1812? Source: In the cancellation section of the article.
  • ALT1: ... that one ship from the Wolfe-class ship of the line was destroyed by a storm? Source: Winfield, Rif (2008). British Warships in the Age of Sail 1793–1817: Design, Construction, Careers and Fates. Barnsley, South Yorkshire: Seaforth. ISBN 978-1-78346-926-0. page 30 , Malcolmson, Robert (2001). "Part II: War on the Great Lakes". In Robert Gardiner (ed.). The Naval War of 1812. London: Caxton Editions. ISBN 1-84067-3605. Page 113
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Improved to Good Article status by Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 14:27, 5 December 2022 (UTC).

• Hi Onegreatjoke, another excellent article from Pickersgill-Cunliffe, review follows: article promoted to GA on 2 December; inline citations throughout to impeccable sources; I don't have the sources used but more than happy to assume there has been no copyright violation; hooks are OK but perhaps more interest can be added: I would suggest ALT1 would be improved by mentioning that it sat in an incomplete state for 15 years first, also I found it interesting that if complete the class would have produced"five of the most powerful warships in the world...on an inland lake with no access to the sea", perhaps this could be used? - Dumelow (talk) 22:37, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

@Dumelow: Ok, how about "ALT2: ... that historian Donald R. Hickey said that if the Wolfe-class ships of the line were completed, they would have been "five of the most powerful warships in the world". Onegreatjoke (talk) 14:46, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Onegreatjoke, I was thinking perhaps:

• ALT3:... that one of the Wolfe-class ships of the line was destroyed by a storm before she had even been launched?
• ALT4:... that if they had been completed as planned in the 1810s "five of the most powerful warships in the world" would have been confined to an inland lake with no access to the sea?

If you prefer these, I will post for another reviewer, or if you prefer the originals I can complete my review on those - Dumelow (talk) 15:06, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

@Dumelow: I honestly prefer both mine and yours. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:16, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

OK, I've struck ALT0 as I don't think the text currently supports that construction slowed. ALT1 and ALT2 are fine (AGF on sourcing). Requesting a second reviewer for ALT3 and ALT4 - Dumelow (talk) 18:13, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

@Dumelow: for ALT3, could you point me to where in the article it says before she'd ever been launched? ticking ALT4 in good faith :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:59, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi theleekycauldron, thanks for looking at this. It's "The frames of Wolfe and Canada were left on the stocks at Kingston for another fifteen years and never completed", stocks are a support for the hull of the vessel when it is constructed in the yard. When a vessel is launched the stocks are removed and it is slid into the water. Pinging Pickersgill-Cunliffe, are you able to confirm this? Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 06:47, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Dumelow; indeed neither ship was launched, the frames of the ships stayed in the dockyard unfinished. Re ALT4 I note that the "five...most powerful warships" includes St Lawrence and two American warships that were being built; the hooks relating to the quote currently read as if all five were Wolfe class. Thanks, Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 12:55, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Pickersgill-Cunliffe, I had misread the article and thought five Wolfe-class were planned. I see it now. Striking ALTS2 and 4 - Dumelow (talk) 13:18, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Gotcha, gotcha. So ALT3 is good to go. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:59, 7 December 2022 (UTC)