Talk:Wolfgang Lüth/GA1

GA Review

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Initial Comment

I will be reviewing this article in the next day or two. Thanks, MarquisCostello (talk) 23:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Main Review

An overview:

well written =?
accuracy =Y
thorough =Y
NPOV =Y
stable =Y
images =Y

Some section specific comments:

Lead

• Is the citation [1] for the entire first paragraph. If not, "second most successful German U-boat ace of World War II" needs a citation.

It is! Williamson is the source for this statement as well. MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

• "The first of two U-boat commanders to be such honored, the other recipient was Albrecht Brandi."

I would make this "He was the first of two U-boat commanders to be honored in such a way, the other recipient being Albrecht Brandi." Also, was he the first of two on this particular date? as i think this needs to be made clear.

done MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:21, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Biography

• Do you have a wikilink for Herder-Institut?

Only the German Wiki has an article on the Herder institut. MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:34, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

• "After his parents had approved his wish he joined the Reichsmarine"

This sentence is a little confusing. How about "With his parents approval he joined the Reichsmarine" for clarity?

done MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

On board U-138

• "with which he sunk 4 ships on his first patrol for 34,644 GRT".

I'm not sure 'for' is the correct word here. How about "with which he sunk 4 ships on his first patrol, totalling 34,644 GRT"?

done MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

• "In October, after having returned from his second patrol, on which he torpedoed the Norwegian merchant steamer Dagrun (4,562 GRT) that he missed"

Is this saying that his torpedo missed? Because it isn't that clear. Might i suggest "In October, after having returned from his second patrol, on which he torpedoed (but missed) the Norwegian merchant steamer Dagrun (4,562 GRT)"

done MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

On board U-43

• "With this boat he made five patrols of 204 days at sea sinking 12 ships for 64,852 GRT". Again, i don't think "for" is the correct word here. Also, i assume the patrols combined totalled 204 days in length- this needs to be made clear as it is a little ambiguous.

done MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:26, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

• "These U-boat commander trainees usually came along on single war-patrols. This was usually the last exercise before they received their own command of a U-boat."

There are two uses of "usually" here. Perhaps you could replace the second one with "often"?

done MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

On board U-181

• "the longest combat patrol of World War II was achieved by Eitel-Friedrich Kentrat as commander of U-196 which lasted 225 days."

This should all go into brackets, and i woud re-word it slightly- "(the longest combat patrol of World War II was 225 days in length, and this was achieved by Eitel-Friedrich Kentrat as commander of the U-196.)"

done MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

• "Also present at the supply-point were U-177 under the command of Robert Gysae, U-178 under the command of Wilhelm Dommes, U-196 under the command of Eitel-Friedrich Kentrat, U-197 under the command of Robert Bartels and U-198 under the command of Werner Hartmann".

I think this could be deleted altogether. It is useful information but not central to an article about Lüth.

not done I added some more background information since I feel this is relevant to the article. MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:30, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

• "Lüth submitted two crew members of U-181 for the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross after this patrol".

I would replace "submitted" with "nominated".

done MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

• "He was promoted to Fregattenkapitän on 1 August 1944 and became the commander of the entire Marineschule in September, and promoted to Kapitän zur See."

Can you find another word for "promoted"?

done MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Death

• "The British Forces had occupied Flensburg on 5 May 1945, initially nothing changed to the daily routine at the Naval Academy Mürwik."

Do you have a wikilink for Flensburg? You also need a "but" after the comma.

done MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

• "Lüdde-Neurath then had informed Lüth's brother, Joachim Lüth, who was staying with his brother. It was he who informed Lüth's wife and their four children that Wolfgang Lüth had died."

This could be re-worded slightly- "Lüdde-Neurath then informed Lüth's brother, Joachim Lüth, as the two borthers were staying together. It was he who informed Lüth's wife and their four children that Lüth had died."

done MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:17, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

• "The last state funeral of the Third Reich was held for a Wolfgang Lüth on 16 May 1945"

Delete "a Wolfgang" to make this sentence a little easier to read.

done MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:17, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

• "The court ruled, that Gottlob was not guilty and relieved of any fault in the killing of Kapitän zur See Wolfgang Lüth."

Remove the comma in this sentence.

done MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:17, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

General Comments

• The article is informative, neutral and stable, and most of my comments refer to grammatical problems etc. Please strike through or check mark each point as you address it, and if you have any questions or comments please leave them here or on my talk page. Thanks, MarquisCostello (talk) 21:26, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I forgot to add that i have put the article on hold. MarquisCostello (talk) 21:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Final Comment

• The supplementary information about the meeting whilst on U-181 helps to put that bit in context.
• I have had another read through and the i think the article meets all the criteria for GA. Regards, MarquisCostello (talk) 19:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)