Talk:Wollo Province

Lakomelza

Hi Til Eulenspiegel: do have a source for that name? And which specific area/region does it refer to? Greetings Driss (talk) 19:25, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, the only sources I have seen for that information are in Amharic; presumably it refers to the original (pre-1942) Wollo. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 20:12, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, for your quick answer. But being in Amharic doesn't disqualify for being referred to. I stayed quite a lot of time in Wollo and never heard that name. But this doesn't mean a lot because Wollo contains a lot of sub-regions and I stayed mainly in the southern part. So, I really would like to know more about that word. Driss (talk) 21:14, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I did find something online that suggested "Lakomelza" refers to the Dessie area, but I guess it's really not a reliable source... so if it sounds dubious, go ahead and remove it. I do happen to have an Amharic book on the History of Wollo by Getachew Mekonnen Hassen (Wollo: Ye'ager Dibab), but I have been unable to find that name anywhere in it. On the contrary, Hassen says on page 12 that the older name of Wollo was "Bete-Amhara", but that owing to the influx of Oromo beginning in Susenyos' reign (1599-1624), it was renamed to "Wollo", and that later on, the Amhara and Oromo became so completely intermixed that no one could separate them or tell them apart. He also quotes an author named "Aba Bahriy" as saying that "Wollo" was the son of "Kereyu" and grandson of "Bereytuma", and furthermore that the children of this "Wollo" were Buko, Woregura'a, Woreya'ilu, Worekereyu, Wore'ilu (Woreylu), Wore Yale'alu. Does that help? Regards, Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 22:42, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I've never heard of "Lakomelza," but I can tell you that the bulk of Wollo (post 1942) was made up of the Amhara province ("Bete-Amhara") delineated by the Walaqa River on the south and some other river whose name I can't remember on the North. The "Aba Bahriy" he refers is the Abba Bahrey. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 22:57, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

@Til Eulenspiegel: Thank you, yes, that will help me. Can you tell me when this book did appear? In case it is a recent publication I would like to buy it. Concerning the different Oromo lineages or clans it si interesting that Kereyu is mentioned as there are no Kereyu (any more?) in Wollo today, but in eastern Yifat and in the southern Awash region. But there are a many more Oromo lineage names especially in southern Wollo. So it would be a good idea to connect that book with further research in that area (which I hopefully will be able to do in the next years). So thank you again.

@Yom: i just want to add that the southern border between Shoa and Wollo in the southeast was (according to local sources) delimited by the Jarra river. Driss (talk) 23:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Kereyu is the name of the clan, though. It's still part of the Wollo clan, but being nomadic, Kereyu pastoralists have expanded where there's space - to the east. Check out "Islam in Nineteenth-Century Wallo, Ethiopia: Revival, Reform, and Reaction" Hussein Ahmed if you want more info on the Wollo groups and histories. It's available on Google Books. Also, I think that northern river is the Bashilo River which, along with the Walaqa, delineate the northern and southern borders of Amhara Sayint. Its western border is the Abbay River. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 00:01, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

There are two groups of Kereyu and only the northern one is living on the edge of southern Wollo. The Jille Oromo which live to the north of the northern Kereyu travel to the plains of Kemise every winter and return when the rainy season begins. But the movement is a south-north-south movement not a west-east-movement. In fact the highlands of northern Shoa make such movements almost impossible. I have also read the book of Hussein Ahmed and in addition almost all of his articles. I will check it later but I don't remember that he went very musch into the details of Oromo history of Wollo. Concerning the rivers the Jarra is a tributary of the Awash. So it is further to the east of the areas you are referring to. Driss (talk) 00:30, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Regarding "Wollo: Ye'ager dibab", the copyright date says the book was published Megabit 1984 (ie March 1992); my copy was given to me in Addis Ababa by a friend in December 1992. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 00:04, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I will try to find it in Addis. Driss (talk) 00:30, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

A Map would be nice

A map would help things a tad--Inayity (talk) 19:47, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Historical Ethnic makeup of Wollo discussion

Bezea2691, would you like to explain why you are reverting back changes that were already discussed and finalized? Abrasax123 (talk) 22:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

What was discussed? Explain yourself here. Don’t remove content Bezea2691 (talk) 08:54, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Are you talking about the category under the “historical ethnic makeup of wollo”? Well it literally say “according to” meaning according to that specific scholar. So what is exactly the problem in that? And you Also removed more content under the Oromo invasion of Bete Amhara category. Mind explaining yourself on that? So, yes. What you are doing is clearly vandalism! Bezea2691 (talk) 08:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Change it one more time and I will report you. No where in that source does it say Wollo Oromos aren't ethnic Oromos. Let alone, if Oromos invaded the place and settled there, then how are they not ethnic? The source is saying that there were people before the Warra Sheik who resided in Wollo, which is true. However, that doesn't make the Warra Sheik less Oromo because they invaded and settled in the place. Thats like saying Oromos from Welega aren't ethnic Oromos even though they clearly conquered and settled there. Keep trying to fool me; you will get IP banned. Abrasax123 (talk) 12:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

The source mentioned with the page which I literally just checked now say that the region which foreign travellers called “wollo Galla” was not at all inhabited chiefly by Oromo. Which is what John H. Spencer said. And no, you can’t remove it just because you don’t like it. Not to mention that you deleted other stuff form the page which are not even related to the topic which we are currently discussing. Bezea2691 (talk) 12:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

This will be the last time replying to you. Read the article, then read the source.

But no worries, I will be changing the article anyways. Abrasax123 (talk) 13:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

I did read it twice!! You are the one who is seemly biased here.

1 What is written in the page is what John H. Spencer wrote in his book. In other words you are saying that you don’t like what John H. Spencer wrote and that is why you want the content to be removed from the page.

2 again, you are literally removing further informations/content which are not when related to the topic of this discussion.

3 you are welcome to report me if you wish. I will much rather that an admin wil intervene since I will really see no ending to this discussion which we currently having. Bezea2691 (talk) 13:14, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Considering your note about who is “ethnic Oromo” it is not a secret that the Oromo have assimilated the population of every province which they settled in. Professor Richard Pankhurst wrote in his book the The Ethiopian Borderlands, and I quote; “the Oromo had the apparent ability to assimilate the population of the areas which they occupied”. Outside of professor Richard Pankhurst you have other sources saying the same thing as well. Either way this is not even the point of the discussion. Bezea2691 (talk) 13:21, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Both of you, that is quite enough edit warring and running to drama boards like toddlers. @Abrasax123 where is this discussion you speak of? Consensus can change, I suggest you start engaging in a positive discussion if you aren't blocked. Fantastic Mr. Fox (talk) 12:17, 24 April 2024 (UTC)