Talk:Wolverhampton Wanderers F.C./GA1

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 22:32, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Lead

• You need a citation for footnote 1
• "The current season is the club's 66th season in total at the highest level." - Unclear what the current season is  Done
• You don't need the floodlights citation in the lead per WP:LEADCITE Done
• Ditto with the European Cup citations Done
• and the West Brom citation Done

Infobox

• Where are the alternate colors cited? The colours and badges section mentions an all white road outfit, which doesn't seem to be what is pictured in the infobox, but I'm not seeing the maroonish one cited anywhere  per answer below

The kits aren't usually cited in the infobox, although the club website has info on them. As for the maroon kit, I have updated the kits and badge section. The colours and badge section states that all-white is the clubs' traditional away kit. It doesn't say that it is always used, in fact it goes on to list all of the non-white away kits that have been used recently. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 12:21, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Formation and the Football League

• " in which they played the first Football League match ever staged (against Aston Villa)" - Source only says that the first goal in Football League history was in that match, not that it was the first match staged.  Done

FA Cup success and world war years

• "FA Cup success and world war years" - You've already linked the FA Cup in the last section, no need to link it again. You also link it again later in this section.

 Done. The second one actually links to the 1949 final. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 12:28, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• "became established as one of the leading club sides in England in the years leading up to the Second World War," - Do the sources explicitly say this? I can't very, as it's cited to an offline source, a paywalled source, and a dead link.
• "gave the championship to the Merseysiders instead" - I'm assuming that Liverpool are the Merseysiders, but that's not obvious Done
• " This game had been the last in a Wolves shirt for Stan Cullis, and a year later he became manager of the club. In Cullis's first season in charge, he led Wolves to a first major honour in 41 years as they beat Leicester City to lift the FA Cup, and a year later, only goal average prevented Wolves winning the league title." - Citation needed  Done
• Explicitly state that there was no football during the two world wars  Done

Cup success in the 60s and 70s

• "Cullis's sacking did not prevent the season ending with relegation (the first time Wolves had known relegation since 1922–23) and the club's first spell outside the top division since 1932. Exile from the top flight lasted only two seasons however, as Wolves were promoted in 1967 as Second Division runners-up." - Citation needed  Done
• "The club's return to the English top flight in 1967 heralded another period of relative success under Bill McGarry, with a fourth place league finish in 1971 qualifying Wolves for the newly created UEFA Cup. En route to the UEFA Cup final, they defeated Juventus and Ferencváros before losing to Tottenham Hotspur 3–2 on aggregate; a 2–1 home defeat in the first leg proving decisive. Wolves lifted silverware two years later when they won the League Cup for the first time by beating Manchester City 2–1 in the final. Despite relegation again in 1976, Wolves bounced back at the first attempt as Second Division champions under manager Sammy Chung, and then under manager John Barnwell, the turn of the decade saw them finish in the top six in the league and win the 1980 League Cup, when then-record signing Andy Gray scored the only goal of the final to defeat the reigning European champions and League Cup holders Nottingham Forest." - Citation needed  Done

Financial crisis

• "The club was "saved" from liquidation at the last minute" - Why is saved in scare quotes?  Done
• "brought immediate promotion back to the First Division under manager Graham Hawkins, but the Bhattis' failure to invest sufficiently in the club soon saw things unravel as the team suffered three consecutive relegations through the football divisions under different managers" - The promotion to the first division is not mentioned in the source. Graham Hawkins is not mentioned in the source. The fact that different managers were involved each year is not mentioned in the source.
• Link receivership at the first mention, not the second  Done
• "the team reached the final of the inaugural play-offs but were denied promotion by Aldershot. Building on that, the team achieved both the Fourth and Third Division championships in the next two seasons and won the 1988 Football League Trophy Final at Wembley." - Citation needed
• "The 1986–87 season saw Wolves' first-ever campaign in the Fourth Division, where, with the guidance of new manager Graham Turner and the goals of Steve Bull, who would ultimately score a club record 306 goals" - Rephrase this, as it almost gives the impression that 306 goals is a season figure, not a career figure.

The Hayward Years

• No need to link Graham Taylor in back-to-back sections

I can't find multiple links to him. Did you mean Graham Turner instead? REDMAN 2019 (talk) 12:05, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• "Their stay proved short-lived however as they were immediately relegated back to the newly retitled EFL Championship." - Citation needed

Promotion, relegations, turbulent times

• "Following relegation, Norwegian Ståle Solbakken became the club's first overseas manager" - Source does not explicitly state that he was the first overseas manager
• "and led the team back to the EFL Championship in his first season, setting a new club record points total of 103 which is also an all-time record for the most points accumulated by any team during a Tier 3 season." - Citation needed

Fosun

• "Zenga was sacked after just 14 league games and Paul Lambert appointed as his successor in November 2016 but, at the conclusion of the season, Lambert too was dismissed" - Source does not state Zenga lasted 14 games.
• "Under Nuno, Wolves went on to clinch the 2017–18 Championship title, to return to the Premier League after a 6-year absence." - Citation needed
• "Wolves replicated their seventh-place finish in the Premier League in 2018–19 with the same placing in the 2019–20 Premier League, albeit that they recorded two more points in 2019–20 than the previous season and only missed out on sixth place on goal difference on this latter occasion." - Citation needed

Colours and badge

• No need to bold the motto.
• Link old gold at the first usage, not the second

Stadium

• "The stadium finally now had four complete stands that would form its basis for the next half-century." - Citation needed
• "this redevelopment formed the stadium for almost twenty year" - Citation needed
• "raising the current official capacity to 31,700" - Not finding this in the source

Other players

• It's unclear if the citation from the main players table is suppose to cover this or not. Either way, it needs a direct citation

U23 squad

• We need some prose here, besides just the main article link (looks like this might be discussed in the other teams section, which raises the question of why the basically empty section exists)

Out on loan

• This whole table needs cited

Other teams

• "U23 side are also participating in Premier League International Cup 2019-20." - Citation needed. Also, the COVID kinda killed this, so an update is needed
• "Home games are primarily staged at AFC Telford United's New Bucks Head home." - Citation needed
• The Wolves Women section is based on a source from 2018. This is potentially out-of-date, so a more recent citation is needed.
• Also, no need to both bold and link Wolves Women

Football staff

• The source is from 2017. Some of these names are missing/potentially outdate, so this needs a rework with everyone cited and a more recent source.

Medical staff

• The entire list is uncited

Club executives

• Note 2 needs cited
• Matt Wild is not mentioned in the references

Notable players

• "Andy Gray, Emlyn Hughes, Paul Ince and Denis Irwin are all previous League Championship medal winners who have also represented Wolves. Joleon Lescott went on to play for England 26 times scoring once. Robbie Keane went on to become Ireland's all-time leading goalscorer with 68 goals in 146 appearances." - citation needed

Managerial history

• "The first manager, George Worrall, was identified by the title of "club secretary", a post that continued until the appointment of a full-time manager in the modern sense was made in 1922." - Citation needed
• "In the 21st century, Dave Jones, Mick McCarthy and Nuno Espírito Santo have led the club into the Premier League. Kenny Jackett took Wolves to a record EFL League One (Tier 3) points haul of 103 as they won this division in 2013–14." - Citation needed

Support

• "As well as having numerous supporters' clubs across the United Kingdom,[97][98][99][100][101][102][103] " - Per WP:SYNTH, you're better off having just one source that states this

I'm not sure what to do with this. Each source refers to a different supporters group. Am I supposed to choose one? REDMAN 2019 (talk) 11:41, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Rivalries

• " it is of less significance. As Wolverhampton historically sat within the boundaries of Staffordshire, a Staffordshire derby between Wolves and Stoke City is also recognised." - Citation needed
• " Wolves' closest geographic rival is actually Walsall" - Not supported by citation

Finances

• Most of this section is written in reverse chronological order, which isn't great

Honours

• "Only Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal have more all-time points. With 7,780 league goals scored over 120 seasons (as of the end of 2018–19 season), Wolves have the third highest total of all-time league goals: only Manchester United and Liverpool have more." - Citation needed
• A lot of these honours don't seem to be cited. In fact, many of them aren't even mentioned in the prose body, so far as I can tell.

League history

• Entire section is uncited.

References

• Ref 9 is cited 15 times to the Matthews book. No page number is given. The page numbers are needed.
• Ref 13 (ESPN FA Cup Final Upsets) is dead
• Ref 22 (Hats off to Hanot) is dead
• I'm not convinced that wolvesheroes.com is a reliable source. In fact, it calls itself a blog, so probably not.
• Ref 46 (Fosun Group takes over Wolves) redirects to the site home page.
• Ref 60, the historical kits one, needs an accessdate parameter
• Ref 82 (Wolves Women to Face Manchester Utd.) is dead
• All of the references to the worldwide Wolves fan clubs need accessdates. Also, it's unclear from the information from the information included on some of these if they really are fan clubs, or just teams named Wolves.
• Junk Archive Blog is not a reliable source.
• Ref 127 (Fosun Group takes over Wolves) redirects to the site home page.
• The Beautiful History is not a reliable source.
• There's no consensus as to whether or not the Daily Mirror is a reliable source or not, so you'll need to find a better source for GA.
• "molineuxstadiumthroughtheages.blogspot.com" is not a reliable source
• Ref 87 (End of the Wright Era) is dead.
• Ref 88 (Billy Wright) needs an accessdate
• There's enough of these that need accessdates that I don't feel like calling them out individually. Pretty much, if it's an online source that's not internet archived, it needs an accessdate.

Sorry, but I'm gonna have to quick-fail this, simply because the referencing is nowhere near the GA standards. Failed a lot of spot checks, there's so much uncited material, and many of the sources are either dead or unreliable. There's just too much work here for a single GA review period. Hog Farm _Bacon 03:10, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the review. I will address these issues in the future. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 19:56, 13 October 2020 (UTC)