Talk:Women related laws in Pakistan

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement, because...

1) Prima facie assessment of copyright infringement questionable seems without due application of mind since

Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations can not have copyright on Constitution or Laws of Pakistan or any other country.(Do read again 1000 times)

2) Anywhere in the world, usually bare constitutions and laws are supposed to be copyright free or easily reusable.

3) Since there is no serious breach of copyright, at the most you can hide doubtful content <!-- --> until alternate source is provided.

Deletion of article is avoidable, does not seem to be warranted and seems to be over reach which can discourage new users unnecessarily.

I firmly believe who do not make quarterly substantial content additions do not have any moral rights to be on deletion spree. In the same given time they can help rescue the article and be more productive.

Thanks Bookku (talk) 02:02, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

2 doubts

Moved from User talk:Justlettersandnumbers

 – Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:11, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Greetings @ User:Justlettersandnumbers,

It seems you have listed Women related laws in Pakistan @ Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2020 December 8.

Since before I have been working on and supporting Women's rights articles including that of Pakistan Women; I am thinking of rescuing this article being important topic @ Talk:Women related laws in Pakistan/Temp at least as a stub article as of now. Besides there is some workshop team working on Wikipedia gap related to Pakistani women I can further request those users to support the article expansion.

I do have a small doubt @ Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2020 December 8 you have listed a link of pakistantoday.com.pk but I did not find this link in references in article history.

1) So is there really any content taken from pakistantoday.com.pk ? If so in which sections if you know at all.

2) Whether do you have any copyright issues with first two paras in the lead or those can be safely imported for alternate stub article ?

Thanks and regards

Bookku (talk) 05:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Bookku! The best place for this is probably the talk-page of the article in question; I'll answer here, but please move the whole discussion there if you like. I don't believe there is any useable content at all in the page – see this comparison; there's copying from here, too. The one possible exception is excerpts from the national law of Pakistan, which may be in the public domain (I say "may" because I'm really not 100% sure about this). My reading of the text copied from the FAO document is that it does not consist only of excerpts from national law. Are the laws of Pakistan really written in English?

If you do decide to rewrite the page, please do so on this special page (please follow that link to reach it). Thank you, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:53, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Greetings @ Justlettersandnumbers, (frankly I find it quite strange Wikipedians wasting their time in bureaucratic aspects than strait away rescuing the easily resqueable), I can't change human habits so let that be.

I have updated Talk:Women related laws in Pakistan/Temp from scratch with at least two university level research papers. And I hope and request to see if that is enough for restoring the article as a stub one. Since I am more used to Visual Editor, I find working at talk page quite a tedious job. Irrespective of whatever the differences over earlier state of the article, I suppose there are several reliable alternate sources and we are not entirely dependent on earlier state or sources of the article. If at all we need to take any thing from earlier state of article we can do it at a latter stage. Besides the article is likely to remain part of user project from Meta working on gap areas of Pakistani women related articles and so hopefully more users will keep coming in times to come.

One more important thing, this article is likely to be first such articles catering to topic of 'Women related laws in X country' And women deserve such more articles almost for every country on earth. Strange no earlier Wikipedians in last 20 years thought about such topic. So whatever mistakes of earlier new user I look forward to constructive and positive support to the article where one need not mind to go out of the way and expand the article because man or woman every one would have some other woman in their life. This topic is for not for some one else but for your women people in your own life.

Thanks and regards

Bookku (talk) 17:51, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Refs

• https://www.af.org.pk/Newsletters

• https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/191053-A-lot-achieved-in-Pakistan-but-still-a-long-way-to-go

• https://www.newageislam.com/islam-women-feminism/hina-hafeezullah-ishaq/islam-discriminate-women-its-custodians-do/d/9264

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 03:40, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

• https://www.thenews.com.pk/magazine/you/969080-keep-knocking-and-the-doors-will-open

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 03:55, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Humorous lines while clean up

I don't know if we are allowed to share such things. I thought, it might make someone's day. In the first para it was written, "Since Pakistan's independence, women have had fewer legal rights compared to those of men." humor here is that the word "man" has only been mentioned 3 times in the entire constitution of Pakistan, word "men" zero times, "woman" 2 times and "women" 17 times. Second sentence, "Beginning in the 20th century, numerous laws have been passed to..." I checked, Pakistan was created in the middle of 20th century, 1947 to be exact. On a serious note: Wikipedia is not a place to distort facts. Kindly, be factually accurate. 24GT (talk) 22:25, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

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