Talk:Wonder (Shawn Mendes album)

Set list on the floor

Hello,

Currently, the set list on the wonder website and in the music video means nothing. It does not mean a tour set list, it does not mean an album track list, it doesn’t mean anything yet. Mendes hasn’t confirmed it, and all the reliable sources (i.e. Billboard) just say it’s presumed. Last I checked, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and does not predict anything unless multiple reliable sources state facts. That is not the case right now so until further confirmation by a reliable source or a primary source, do not add any information about the set list. Doggy54321 (talk) 13:19, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

"Monster (Shawn Mendes and Justin Bieber song)" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Monster (Shawn Mendes and Justin Bieber song). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 14#Monster (Shawn Mendes and Justin Bieber song) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. CountyCountry (talk) 22:53, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Call My Friends

Call My Friends is not a single. The source made a mistake and understood that it was a single when Mendes posted a video talking about the song, but he did the exact same thing with the song “Teach Me How To Love”, just check his YouTube profile and you’ll see that he did not post only about “Call My Friends”. First, “Call My Friends” did not hit radio. Second, it did not receive any single treatment. Third, Mendes and Island Records never confirmed it as a single. Newanders22 (talk) 20:23, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Says who? There are sources backing up the single release, yet no sources backing up the fact that it’s not a single. Therefore: it IS a single. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 20:40, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Only because one single source called it a single, using as proof a video that he uploaded on YouTube talking about “Call My Friends”, which he did with “Teach Me How To Love”, and about an hour ago with “Higher” too. There’s no radio date hit, no official confirmation, liters nothing, just a YouTube video explaining how the song was created, it is NOT a single. Newanders22 (talk) 22:44, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

literally nothing Newanders22 (talk) 22:45, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

So what’s your point? There aren’t sources calling “TMHTL” and “Higher” singles, but there is a source calling “Call My Friends” a single. Sure, it didn’t have a natural rollout, but there’s a source stating that it’s a single (that’s still active, may I add). Wikipedia is all about verifiability. There’s a source that “Call My Friends” is a single, so we go by that. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 22:50, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

I get your point. But shouldn’t the article be checked? If you check the article and then check his YouTube video (specifically the latest videos) you’ll see that the video they’re using as proof to call it a single was done the exact same way with 2 other songs on the album and he will keep doing it, it’s about the making of the album. By checking, you’ll know that it’s giving false information, and that’s the only source stating that. I hope you understand what I mean. Newanders22 (talk) 23:02, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

@Newanders22: How ET Canada arrived at the conclusion that "Call My Friends" is a single is not of our concern. Our job is not to analyze the source to determine whether it is "right" or "wrong". Wikipedia is based on reliable sources, not original research, which is basically what you have presented here. You set out a list of arbitrary criteria for a song to be considered a single. You made a connection between "Call My Friends" and "Teach Me How to Love" and determined, based on your own personal views, that the source "made a mistake". However, the crux of the matter is whether ET Canada is a reliable source, and if it is, whether there's another reliable source claiming the opposite of what ET Canada has reported. As far as I know, ET Canada is considered a reliable source on Wikipedia, and there's no source claiming that "Call My Friends" isn't a single. Therefore, it is a single. Hayman30 (talk) 07:15, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

This is not how pop singles works, and these articles aren't exactly reliable. I have found them to state the release dates of things wrong and them still being up. So does it mean that they are correct? Similar videos were released for Higher and Teach me how to love, the source didn't call it a single because they weren't published the same day the album release, and just to give it their article more substance, they are calling it a single. This is not how pop singles work and anyone who is stating otherwise is misleading the audience Shadeslayer2002 (talk) 04:54, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

These kind of articles have been published in the past by Hayman just because an article called a promotional droplet as a single. Pop artists don't release 2 official singles in the space of 5 days and not give them a music video or push them to the radio. Every one of Shawn's singles have always been heavily promoted with music videos and radio support. Shadeslayer2002 (talk) 04:56, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

That Shawn song wasn't a single. Check out the tweets he made while announcing the song. He called it a song dropping off of his album. When he drops a single, he specially calls it a single.

New song #Nervous from the album, go download it now

MONSTER friday nov 20th @justinbieber. Next single from #WONDER

These are the 2 different tweets he used to announce the songs. It's pretty obvious Shadeslayer2002 (talk) 05:12, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

The music video for "If I Can’t Have You" by Shawn Mendes garnered over 18.5 MILLION views in its first 24 hours, making it his biggest 24-hour debut on YouTube.

Congratulations, @ShawnMendes! 🍾 Shadeslayer2002 (talk) 05:23, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

In the first 24 hours, the music video for ‘If I Can’t Have You’ received more than 18.5M views and 1.3M likes on YouTube! Congratulations @ShawnMendes Shadeslayer2002 (talk) 05:23, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Released on May 3, the song hit No. 1 on the iTunes chart upon its release and the music video racked up 21 million views on YouTube within the first 24 hours. Till Wednesday afternoon, the pop song's black-and-white video had more than 39 million views, reports variety.com. Shadeslayer2002 (talk) 05:24, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

This are the official numbers, and those are the numbers Variety, which is also considered a reliable source, published. Sometimes common sense while publishing articles would be better rather than blindly believing articles just because they are from a reliable source. As for how I know that the 18.5 million fact is correct, it is because I had myself checked and verified it at the time of release, this is how I remember this article being wrong even though it's from 1.5 years back. Shadeslayer2002 (talk) 05:27, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

I believe that Wikipedia articles should be published only thorough background check and not just seeing an article and believing it to be true when everything else indicates it not to be. Shadeslayer2002 (talk) 05:29, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

A similar thing happened during the time of Shawn Mendes the album official singles list, which to this day is wrong. When other artists drop songs before the album it's a promotional droplet but in the case of Shawn always a single? The Call My friends article will not be taken down and you guys will continue calling it true and guilty of spreading wrong information to the audience. Shadeslayer2002 (talk) 05:31, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

@Shadeslayer2002: We don't need you to tell us "how pop singles works [you mean 'work'?]", and you have no right to decide, based on your personal views, whether these sources are reliable (or, in your words, perform a "background check"). You have again presented a bunch of original research that is irrelevant to this discussion and adds no substance at all to your argument. This is an article talk page, not a forum for people who claim to understand how the music industry works to debate whether a song is a single or not based on personal observations and subjective analysis. We're here for content discussions. I must again emphasize that Wikipedia is based on reliable sources, not opinions given by random people who claim to have expert knowledge on a subject but couldn't provide any verifiable evidence to back themselves up. But just on your point that we are "believing it to be true when everything else indicates it not to be", I'd like point out that there's nothing that "indicates it not to be". No source said that the song isn't a single. Lastly, on your accusation that we are "spreading wrong information to the audience", I'm sorry you feel that way, but if what you believe to be "correct" information means unverifiable original research, then I think we're doing the right thing. Hayman30 (talk) 06:23, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

@Hayman30: agreed. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 16:48, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

This shouldn't need a discussion. If sources support the fact that it was released as a single, then we list it as a single. Simple as that. It is supported by a source in the article. Bowling is life (talk) 21:05, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Yea, I agree, it’s just that editors are thinking otherwise, so we should have a discussion to be clear. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 21:33, 7 December 2020 (UTC)