Talk:Islamic State

Add A Fact: "Ex-soldier sentenced for aiding ISIS"

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A former soldier in the U.S. Army was sentenced on Friday to 14 years in prison after pleading guilty to attempting to provide ISIS with information to help plan an ambush he thought would result in the deaths of U.S. soldiers in the Middle East, according to the U.S. Justice Department.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/12/us/cole-bridges-army-isis-sentencing.html

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TJMSmith (talk) 16:17, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Requested Move 15 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. We normally keep RM discussions open for at least seven days with a possibility for prolongation via relisting. This discussion has now been open for more than four weeks. The request suggested a move to Islamic State (organisation), a target that for several years has been a stable and correctly categorized {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}} redirect to Islamic State.

The proposal to move has seen no policy-based support. The opposers argue per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC that the article should stay at the base name, ergo the survey is closed noting a clear consensus not to move. (closed by non-admin page mover) Sam Sailor 17:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

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Islamic State→? — Current name is just the "Islamic State", it’s can confuse readers with article about the concept. I don’t' suggest it to rename the article to ISIL, beacuse "ISIL" is not common name anymore and pretty outdated.

So let's rename the article to Islamic State (organisation). ISIS can be also suitable beacuse "ISIS" is currently common name to the group. Gaplow43286 (talk) 06:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Islamic State is the common name for the organization, being the one used by the media. The organization is also the clear primary topic for the name "Islamic State" with this capitalization. The hatnote at the top of the article is good enough to clear up any confusion. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi QuicoleJR, Naming the article "Islamic State (organization)" would be a more appropriate solution, as it clarifies that the article specifically refers to the militant group commonly known as ISIS, while distinguishing it from the broader and more diverse theoretical concept of an "Islamic State." This title would help avoid confusion, making it clear that the focus is on the organization rather than the general political or religious concept. By adding the term "organization," it also provides a more neutral and descriptive approach, acknowledging that the term "Islamic State" has broader historical and theoretical meanings, which should not be conflated with this particular group.The normal readers are not supposed to distinguish this minute difference.

--DelphiLore — Preceding undated comment added 18:56, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Please convey your thoughts in your own words, chatbots are not helpful. - Ratnahastin (talk) 02:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as per WP:COMMONNAME that is what the organization calls itself.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:16, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

  "that is what the organization calls itself"

  Why we would use "Islamic State". Article about the concept is " Islamic state ", about the group is " Islamic State ". Just S is difference. That's why I start an RM. We can use " Islamic State (organisation) or "ISIS. BangladeshiStranger🇧🇩 (talk) 03:19, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

  I would rather move the article on the concept to Islamic state (concept) if you think something needs to be moved. The organization is what most users are looking for when they type "Islamic State" into the search bar. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

  @QuicoleJR Ok.

  I forget this opinion when I propose this in October. BangladeshiStranger🇧🇩 (talk) 10:17, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - It is the common name. - Ratnahastin (talk) 02:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support – I endorse BangladeshiStranger’s proposal to modify the article title for enhanced clarity and accuracy. Currently, “Islamic State” as a title risks conflating the militant group with the broader concept of an “Islamic state,” a political or theological idea concerning governance within Islamic contexts. This ambiguity can lead to misunderstandings and unintentionally lend an inappropriate connotation to either the organization or the general concept.

  DelphiLore (talk) 08:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

  @DelphiLore This RM is not closed but you still moved article about the organisation as "Islamic State (organisation)". You should wait until the problem get solution. BangladeshiStranger🇧🇩 (talk) 10:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

"‘You are next’: online posts show Islamic State interest in attacks on US ahead of election"

[1] Doug Weller talk 11:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@Doug Weller Cite reliable sources to confirm it. BangladeshiStranger🇧🇩 (talk) 08:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Stranger43286 Why didn't you bother to look first? That would be the sensible idea and sholw good faith. The first hit is [2] Doug Weller talk 11:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Very small Minor edit request

Add an collapsible list into groups infobox, it's very long.
(this topic will be deleted after accepting) 178.81.55.110 (talk) 19:25, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:49, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

First sentence

I have removed, from the first sentence of the article, (uncited) text that calls ISIL an "unrecognised quasi-state." It is true that, as of 2024, affiliates of the terror group hold territorial control over shifting areas of Africa (which we mention in the lead section), but the preponderance of sources (or at least the sources currently cited) don't seem to commonly use the "quasi-state" verbiage to describe ISIL presently - certainly not at a frequency sufficient to justify its inclusion in the lead. Neither of the two sources cited on the present situation in Africa ([3], [4]) use the term. Given all that, the "quasi-state" language is more likely to confuse readers than enlighten them, especially as it seems to conflate the situation a decade ago (2012/2013 era) with the situation today. (Note, too, that there are many terror/insurgent groups that occupy territory but are not commonly described as "quasi-states." Neutrality^talk 19:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Proposal to include IS-CP and Add a Section on Involvement within the borders of the Russian Federation

The article shows a significant plurality of foreign fighters in Islamic State originating from The Russian Federation yet there is no mention of either IS-CP or the link to Chechan extremists/terrorists nor the direct involvemnet of Al-Qaeada fighters in the Second Chechen War and activities of IS-CP in Russia since inception of Islamic State/Daesh and it's military defeat two years later.

I prepose inclusion of links to the main article for IS-CP in the article summary as well as a summary of IS-CP operations within the Caucuses. I'm interested in any discussion/contributions before amending the article. Debiant (talk) 15:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)