Talk:Would I Think of Suicide?

Plot

I'm confused about where people are getting plot information for a show that hasn't aired. If someone wants to add unaired plot information it should be cited to a reliable source. AniMate 00:49, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not. While a show may not have been aired, a plot has been finalized, the show has been shot, and spoilers have already been released. In fact, taking a look at individual articles of Desperate Housewives which have been aired, many of these have short plot spoilers which have been taken from sites like SpoilerTV. After the show is aired, contributors write a much lengthier plot summary which gives a detailed storyline of the episode. Since plot summaries which are as detailed as these are extremely hard to come by (impossible and/or infeasible in many cases), I believe it is fair to ignore the rule of "no original research" - after all, if a contributor were to be forced to cite a source, the source would point back to "Desperate Housewives Season ___ Episode ___". Not helpful. As for spoilers, perhaps a better idea would be to insert a "citation required" rather than to repeatedly blank out entire plot sections of every episode which hasn't been aired? 202.156.14.244 (talk) 03:05, 17 November 2009 (UTC) Louie

I disagree. Is SpoilerTV reliable? Generally our sources should be recognized authorities on the subject. Are Spoiler TV contributors "Arno", "Nell0", "Tori", and "Dark UFO" recognized authorities? Not so much. Are spoiler sites in general considered reliable? Not so much. Studios have been known to throw out false spoilers and having perused a number of these websites, the spoilers often change. A succinct and cited synopsis from ABC or TV Guide or Entertainment Weekly would likely work, because they actually are trusted sources, apologies to Dark UFO. As it stands the plot sections are pretty useless, and I see no reason to keep useless information on line. AniMate 04:09, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Let's see, apart from using induction to verify the reliability of such websites, we also use cross-referencing. Many websites we consult for spoiler updates come directly from ABC's episode guide (http://abc.go.com/shows/desperate-housewives/episode-guide), or directly from the producer (http://desperate-housewives.tripod.com/id3.html), or from TV.com's official spoilers (http://www.tv.com/desperate-housewives/show/24641/episode.html), or from TVguide (http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/desperate-housewives/episodes-season-6/100118), or detailed collaborations of all (http://www.spoilerfix.com/desperate.php). The fact that the plot has certainly been finalized by now (ready to be aired) means that there is clearly useful plot material to be included in a wiki encyclopedia. That's how it's been done all these while. As I see, previous plot spoilers, before the show was aired, have been highly accurate, albeit less detailed than idea due to the TV stations and producers only letting out enough to captivate our attention. Perhaps you might want to direct your references about "changing spoilers" to credible sources? Be that as it may, if a source is authoritative, it should be deemed reliable based on Wikipedia's standards, even if we later realize that evolution in spoilers is part of a marketing campaign. Not all plot spoilers come from crystal balls, and though people may forget to insert citations, we should be trying to improve them by seeking out better sources and collaborating them, or searching their original sources and including citations, or simply tagging them with a "citation needed". Any of these ways IMPROVE the article. 202.156.14.244 (talk) 09:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC) Louie

Not sure how to correctly write in this section. But I fixed the incorrect plot information and re-wrote the entire plot summary. It is correct now.