Talk:Wycliffe Hall, Oxford

Alumni

Why are some of Wycliffe Hall's more famous alumni like Donald Coggan not on the list? When I try and add them they are promptly deleted without explanation.

Is he an alumnus? Providing a source always helps against removal. I thought he was just a speaker in the Chavasse Lectures in World Mission and was a Cambridge student - St John's.--Alf ^melmac 10:14, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

He is a former Archbishop of Canterbury, not just a speaker in the Chavesse Lectures in World Mission! It was not referenced as none of the others seem to be and I assumed people would already know. But is any case he is an alumnus of Wycliffe Hall, Oxford, he trained there after leaving Cambridge. I refer you to http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/1235 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Landan19 (talk • contribs) 13:39, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what connection being Arch of Cant is to Wycliffe, Oxford so I don't get your first sentence. Nope, people obviously didn't know, it doesn't appear in his article for instance...--Alf ^melmac 18:46, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

In any case he did train for ordination at Wycliffe Hall, Oxford after leaving Cambridge. As I said this link http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/1235 can serve as verification. I have also added a few more of Wycliffe's alumni. Verification is on all of their respective wiki pages.

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Series of unsourced edits

In recent months, most of the content added by EJGKeene (talk · contribs) has been unsourced. I've nibbled at particularly trivial information [1], but left the bulk of it for other editors to look at, rather than deleting en masse. Today EJGKeene added some cites from Wycliffe Hall's publications and student handbooks, and are therefore of limited value--the article can not rely too heavily on WP:PRIMARY sources. Elsewhere, the editor has stated that they're not a paid employee of the college [2], but that responds most narrowly to WP:COI concerns. The tone hasn't struck me as especially promotional, but it reads like a lot of WP:OR by someone who knows the place. Ministerial formation and student life are worthwhile topics, but if the content can't be supported by WP:RELIABLE, it is subject to removal. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 02:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Weeded a bit today. Springnuts (talk) 12:24, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

"The Hall" or "The hall".

So, a quick search here [[3]] reveals capitalisation of the word "hall" when it is "the Hall" - - eg

"This policy contains the Hall's commitment to disability equality"

(rather than "This policy contains the hall's commitment to disability equality"

But we more commonly use "the hall" (but not invariably: eg "Language schools regularly hire the Hall for use during the long summer vacation."

Fowler's Modern English Usage is my go-to for these things. After describing the topic as "anarchic" Fowler says "When only part of a title is given the practice of retaining a capital for the 'particular' but dropping it for the 'general' is fairly common and ... usually harmless"; and "In reference to institutions ... it is desirable, when the names are repeated in shortened form, to retain the capital for the shortened title."

So I will do a bit of a global search/replace. Hope this is OK with other editors :) With all respect, Springnuts (talk) 18:22, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Done where appropriate. However, the word "college" might usefully be substituted in places I think. Springnuts (talk) 18:27, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Springnuts, thank you for cutting some of the trivia. Generally Wikipedia articles follow the Manual of Style rather than Fowler. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters begins "Wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization" and does not favour capitalising common nouns. Also Oxford college articles generally don't capitalise college or hall (e.g. All Souls College, Oxford). I also think that "hall" should be used rather than "college" as Wycliffe is a permanent private hall rather than one of the Oxford colleges. TSventon (talk) 19:33, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

TSventon, I take the point that we generally follow the MoS. I also take the point that it is not a college of the university in the same way as, say, Balliol. However, a PPH is a college, and some are in fact called colleges (St Peter's, Regent's Park etc). (and no matter how helpful it would be, I'm not after changing the MoS for all the colleges of the university hahaha!) There is a great deal of inconsistency around the various articles on halls/Halls, colleges/Colleges and houses/Houses. I really don't have a strong view on it. so I will go back through and put the consistency the other way :) Springnuts (talk) 20:42, 16 March 2021 (UTC)