Talk:Xanthi

Remove "Name" Section

I propose removing the "Name" section of this article since it provides only redundant information: the name of the town in Turkish and Bulgarian.
Arguments for having this section include:
1. Xanthi contains a Turkish and Bulgarian minority population.
Arguments against having this information:
1. This is not consistent across Wikipedia. Go to the London/New York City article and create a section there which translates "London"/"New York City" into the languages of all of her minorities. It would most likely be removed.
2. This article exists in Turkish and Bulgarian, thus this information can be retrieved from there.
3. There were no Turks/Bulgarians in Xanthi in 879 BC (its earliest known date of existance), so why an arbitrarily recent year was chosen to determine who its indigenous peoples are is illogical.

Kupraios (talk) 00:33, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

As I explained to you already these are historical names from people located in Xanthi since Ottoman times and even before. Please read the naming conventions guideline WP:NCGN to see how these minority names are supposed to be covered. For an example of a similar WP:NCGN-based discussion please see Talk:Vlorë. And don't revert again because that would bring you at 3RR and I will report your tendentious disruption. In addition this article is covered under WP:ARBMAC for which you have been warned before. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 01:01, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Why have you chosen "Ottoman times and even before" as the start date from which to identify indigenous people? Why not begin from yesterday? Don't bring your threats here, just debate. I can assure you that your threats have little effect on my actions. Kupraios (talk) 02:30, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Kupraios regarding the issue at hand, and think that the "Name" section should be removed. Captain Wallace III (talk) 02:33, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

And who might you be? The WP:SOCK of Kupraios? Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 02:38, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

No, I am not. Captain Wallace III (talk) 02:47, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Great. Go to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kupraios and talk to the admins there to explain your actions. Good luck. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 02:52, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Kupraios: And I can assure you that these are not threats but advice. I can further assure you that if you don't follow it you will be blocked. But that bypasses completely the fact that you did not acknowledge reading WP:NCGN and Talk:Vlorë as I advised you to do. So, go read these pages first, then report back here as to what you learned from reading them. Hopefully after that exercise you may have changed your mind and would have saved yourself a rather certain block. Best of luck. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 02:38, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

As you have no authority over me, and because I dislike your attitude, I shan't read the article you've assigned to me as some sort of school exercise. I have not changed my opinion on the subject, and it seems that a separate user agrees with me. Also, feel free to instead answer the questions I proposed to you above and continue the debate rather than bombard me with threats. Kupraios (talk) 02:54, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

If you shan't read the pages I gave you to consult and you continue your edit-warring, thou shalt be blocked. You and your sock. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 02:59, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

(Personal attack removed), and no, I shall not read the pages you're attempting to force me to read given that I value my freedom of choice. (Personal attack removed) It truly is a shame Wikipedia has given you any form of control over this website. Also, you have no evidence of a "sock" account, you're just making an assumption. On that note, I assume from your lack of response to my questions regarding the article at hand that you have no further arguments to support your view that the "Name" section should remain. Kupraios (talk) 03:11, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

These are basic guidelines I gave you to consult. If you refuse to consult them and instead you choose to edit-war I will assume that you intend to continue your disruption and I will report you to the relevant noticeboards. I also advise you to consult our policy of no personal attacks, WP:NPA for short. Click the link and read it. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 03:16, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Don't assume. Instead, why don't you resume to arguing for keeping the "Name" section? It is your continued aggressive behaviour to get me blocked that is disrupting the ultimate matter at hand. Also, is there also a policy against provoking personal attacks? Kupraios (talk) 03:25, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

(unindent) There is nothing wrong with including names of a city in other languages, particularly if significant communities used to live there. Please see WP:NCGN. We do it for cities with Greek populations in Albania, etc...Athenean (talk) 06:22, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Athenean but I'm afraid your advice won't do any good. I have already told this editor multiple times about NCGN and even told him about the Vlorë discussion, example: [1]. But he has explicitly refused to read the pages. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 06:35, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Just for the record, both Captain Wallace III and Kupraios have now been blocked for socking. Did I see this coming? Yes. Did it do any good? No. Go figure. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 15:23, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Names of Xanthi

First point: It is true that the phrase "the lady and noble woman of Thrace" is used - as a subtitle - in an article on the city's official web site. There is, however, nothing to show that this is a commonly used expression. On the contrary, the expression gets 6 hits in a Google search, including the mentioned web site, the WP page and Facebook pages citing these. Even the greek "original" phrase "κυρά και αρχόντισσα της Θράκης" gets no more than 12 hits, mostly from blogs and Facebook. With close to zero hits in a Google search, it is directly false to say that "Xanthi is known as ..."

Second point: No explanation has been given for removing the "Name" section with the Turkish and Bulgarian (Pomak) names of the city. There are significant Turkish-speaking and Pomak-speaking minorities in the city and the area, and their names for the city are of interest. It could even be discussed if it should go into the lead, but at least it has to be mentioned.

Third point: Wikipedia is based on consensus. According to the guidelines, when a suggested edit is reverted, the procedure is to start a discussion on the talk page, not to re-enter the reverted changes again and again. --T*U (talk) 09:36, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Persistent edits by different IP editors (or maybe not different?) while ignoring the talk page is getting close to vandalism. It may become necessary to ask for semiprotection. I will try the peaceful way once more. --T*U (talk) 12:56, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

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Names of Xanthi in languages of its minorities

Nobody uses Imbros instead of Gökçeada; Tenedos for Bozcaada and Constantinople for Istanbul also. Kelpo11 (talk) 08:21, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

@Kelpo11: All the names you attempt to add are already included in these articles, like Xanthi, so your edits have no impact, you are just adding them in the introduction and you make duplicates. P.S. You are referring as how Turks call the above-mentioned cities but internationally the commonly known names aren't necessary the Turkish ones. Gnslps (talk) 09:32, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

For the most part the issue with your edits isn't that you're trying to add names that don't belong in the article, only that they don't belong in the lead sentence. For the most part the name you're trying to add to the lead sentence is already where it's supposed to be farther down in the article. Skoulikomirmigotripa (talk) 11:29, 13 May 2020 (UTC)