Talk:Yamaha CS-80

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it should be noted that the cs 80 detune due to over heating causing the "tuner" to change up due to heat fluctiations(SP?_)

Aftertouch description

In the body of the text, isn't is just describing polyphonic aftertouch? I changed it in the side-bar stats-box thing (whatever it's called) to poly-aftertouch, but left the text alone. --Andylindsay (talk) 22:05, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

CS-80 or CS80

Shouldn't the article use Yamaha naming convention, i.e. CS80 _without_ hyphen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.205.146.224 (talk) 13:38, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

CS-80 is given at Vintage Synth Explorer which is generally a reliable source. Likewise, the Arturia emulation uses CS-80. If you look at the image on Commons, it also says CS-80. Here is the original instruction manual for the synth, which says CS-80. It is reasonably certain that CS-80 is the correct version.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:36, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I just looked at Yamaha site, and it also says CS-80, so I withdraw my comment.

List of users

I'm sorely tempted to remove this section, because at this rate the article should be retitled as List of CS-80 users. Most of them are unsourced anyway. Vintage Synth Explorer gives some of the more notable users, while the list here has attempted to be exhaustive and ended up with serious WP:TRIVIA problems.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:42, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Re this edit: some of them can be put back if they are sourced, but most of the "citation needed" examples had been unsourced for months or years. Also, the article is not intended to be a list of everyone who ever used a CS-80, sourced or otherwise. This has WP:TRIVIA and WP:TOPIC issues.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 04:53, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi, ianmacm. Most users listed on that section are easily found on reliable sources including Sound On Sound (magazine) and album credits found on Discogs. I already started adding citations. --Clusternote (talk) 04:57, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

For some reason this article has acquired an exhaustive list when a sprinkling like the one given at Vintage Synth Explorer would be adequate. If you listed all of the people who had used a Minimoog the article would go on for ever. This isn't what synth articles are for, and in its previous form the list was longer than the actual description of the CS-80.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:02, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

On the same issue on similar article Roland Jupiter-8, I had wait for several years, and also I had tried to search reliable sources, however no source were found, thus I had delete most entries without reliable sources.

On this article, also You should wait for completion of citations for several months. thanks, --Clusternote (talk) 04:57, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

@Ianmacm:: stop vandalism. Without proper reason, you already deleted Bibliography (NOT the "notable user") two times. --Clusternote (talk) 05:09, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

The Bibliography section is still in the article. In Minimoog, there is a paragraph about the use of the instrument. This is in line with policy, as bare lists are discouraged per WP:TRIVIA. There is a separate article List of Moog synthesizer players. Perhaps there could be a new article List of Yamaha CS-80 players as it isn't suitable to have a long and sprawling list here.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:17, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

The citations in the article body are not covered CS-80 itself at all, and even the Syntopia (reference [2]) is not the reliable source.

[1] "The World's most desirable and valuable synthesizers and drum machines". attack magazine. Retrieved 2014-11-12.

[2] "The Schmidt synth and the CS80". synthtopia. 2011-04-07.

[3] Magnus, Nick; Reid, Gordon. "Arturia CS80V - Software Synth (Mac/PC)". Reviews : Software: ALL. Sound On Sound. No. April 2005.

Thus we need proper Bibliography section for future improvement of article. --Clusternote (talk) 05:28, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

DONE: Old section Yamaha CS-80#Notable users was split into new article List of Yamaha CS-80 notable users. --Clusternote (talk) 05:52, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

I disagree that this should be split, such lists have little notability on their own. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:38, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't have objected to putting some of it back, but far too many of the examples had been unsourced for months and it was developing into a classic WP:TRIVIA section. Wikipedia articles about synthesizers are about the synths themselves, not exhaustive lists of the people who have used them.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 11:14, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Deckard's Dream

Re this edit: There are various videos of the Deckard's Dream synth on YouTube, eg here. It isn't really a CS-80 clone as the controls are quite different. The Arturia CS-80 V uses exactly the same layout of controls as the original synth, while Deckard's Dream is only "inspired by" the CS-80.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:02, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Arminator plugin

Re this edit: The free Arminator Virtual Studio Technology plugin was launched in June 2017, but despite its name it doesn't claim to be a clone of the CS-80 or its controls. As this YouTube video shows, it comes with a range of presets which are influenced by the sound of Vangelis, but the plugin itself isn't an exact recreation of the CS-80. The plugin's developer Ian Webster says "Actually We have never claimed that this is a CS80 clone, although it is constantly reported as such, obviously due to its layout. This was created as a instrument to be enjoyed by the patch writer who is a mega-Vangelis fan so it made sense to borrow some elements and concepts from the original."[1] Like the Deckard's Dream, it is influenced by/inspired by rather than being an actual clone.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:15, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Behringer clone

Re this edit: I have reverted this per WP:CRYSTAL#5, which says "Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors." The sourcing makes clear that they have not even got round to building a prototype yet, let alone launching it. They are simply showing nice drawings of what it might look like to the news media. Their Facebook page also makes clear that an actual synth built from the concept is still a long way in the future.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:32, 9 October 2019 (UTC)