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First battle against the Byzantines
editI am utterly confused by the passage "The result was an utter debacle for the Romans at the Battle of Tabuk." Waqidi mentions Tabouk as where Yazid's ambush took place. It could be that this is the Battle of Tabouk, which also turned out into a loss for the Byzantines. However, then we've got Holland saying that the ambush took place "12 miles east of Gaza", which is not even near Tabouk. What is also odd, is Waqidi describing Abu Bakr as "Khalifah of Rasulullah" (p. 12), so the ambush should have taken place after Muhammad, while we know that the Battle of Tabouk took place during Muhammad's lifetime. Were there two Battles of Tabouk? - HyperGaruda (talk) 10:45, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- as far as i know, there are no clashes at all on the expedition of Tabuk, save for some raids towards Christian Arab tribes by Khalid ibn al-Walid, which i remember i read from my dad's book, History of Muhammad which written by Mohammed Hussein Heikal, but no mention of Yazid at all. Ahendra (talk) 19:00, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
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edit@Al Ameer son: In the article, it is stated that "Umar appointed Mu'awiya in his brother's place over Damascus and Jordan." Does the source not mention who is the governor of Palestine who will replace Yazid?
And does the source not mention the location of Yazid's death and his grave? Iylaq (talk) 12:59, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Iylaq: The source does not mention the location of Yazid's death or his grave. As for Mu'awiya's appointments after Yazid's death, the source notes that there was confusion in the early Islamic and Byzantine literature, with some stating that Mu'awiya was appointed the military and fiscal governor of Damascus, with someone else over that of Jordan (al-Tabari citing Ibn Ishaq), another that he was appointed over Damascus and Jordan (Tabari citing Sayf), another that he was appointed over all of Syria except for Palestine (Baladhuri citing Hisham ibn Ammar), and all of Syria (Theophanes).
- The sources giving Mu'awiya authority over parts of Syria besides Damascus and Jordan during Umar's reign contradict themselves and other sources, which placed Umayr ibn Sa'd al-Ansari over the combined province of Hims/Qinnasrin/Jazira at that time. Mu'awiya did not gain authority over this large district until Umayr stepped down during the reign of Uthman, who appointed Mu'awiya over it instead. As for Palestine, Uthman appointed Mu'awiya over Palestine apparently before the appointment to Hims/Qinnasrin/Jazira. His predecessor was apparently Abd al-Rahman, the son of Alqama ibn Mujazziz al-Kinani (Tabari) though no date is given. Alqama had been governor of all or half of Palestine under Umar; Abd al-Rahman was governor at the beginning of Uthman's reign, but after his death, Palestine was assigned to Mu'awiya. Basically, by 646, Mu'awiya gained full control over the Syria–Jazira province, but all of these details are beyond the scope of this article. Al Ameer (talk) 16:22, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
@Al Ameer son: So, there is no certainty in the sources about the governor of Palestine after Yazid died? Iylaq (talk) 05:41, 26 June 2022 (UTC)