Talk:Yeti/Archive 3

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Protected?

Should this page become protected or semi-protected? There seems to be a whole lot of vandalism going on on the page over the last 2 weeks or so. Any known reason for this? If someone would protect the page these attacks may stop, correct? I'm bringing this up now because I noticed that Gowron attempted to broach the subject in June 06 without anything really being done about it. Cheers, ABVS1936 06:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

What sort of attacks? Gingermint (talk) 05:31, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Expedition Everest gets the shaft

At least twice the mention of Expedition Everest in Disney's Animal Kingdom theme park has been deleted. The most recent edit to this was mine and went as follows:

On April 7, 2006, Walt Disney Imagineering premiered an attraction based on the legend of the yeti called Expedition Everest - Legend of the Forbidden Mountain in Walt Disney World's Animal Kingdom. Inside the waiting area is a Yeti museum, complete with "Yeti-damaged" items and cement-cast footprints.

Now I understand the concern that it sounds a little like an ad, and I'm sure someone can reword it so it's more appropriate for an encyclopedia, but I don't see why a theme park attraction that's put so much emphasis on the legend of the Yeti, and so much research into its authenticity (Imagineer Joe Rohde actually traveled to Nepal and interviewed natives about the legend of the Yeti), would be excluded from a section called "The Yeti in Pop Culture." Disney World is pop culture, and Expedition Everest focuses on the Yeti. If we aren't going to accept this as a validation, we may as well scrap the section altogether. A vague mention of the "Abominable Snowman" as a "comic relief" hardly constitutes an entire section.

Can anyone explain this to me? If not, I'm putting it back in. Justin The Claw 03:57, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Old Victorian tale of the yeti! (Fiction)

http://www.angelfire.com/darkside/franco/Yeti.html

http://www.angelfire.com/darkside/franco/Yeti2.html

Francesc Roig majoolibaa@yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.12.16.56 (talk) 16:57, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Bears

Himalayan Red Bear ist the very same animal as Himalayan Brown Bear. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 12:27, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

What trivia section?

This article has a section on appearances of the yeti in popular culture. It is a bit disorganised, but its contents are restricted to that subject; it is not a trivia section, and the advice there (like "convert to narrowly focused lists") doesn't apply. —Toby Bartels (talk) 19:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Confusing

The sentence read "...manufactured from the skin of the [[Nemorhaedus|serow]], a goat-like Himalayan antelope." However, Nemorhaedus is a redirect to Goral but the link says Serow. Both are listed as being goat-like or antelope-like. Which is the correct animal? CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 17:04, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Update

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2464419/Mystery-hairs-%27may-have-come-from-a-Yeti%27.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.112.20.78 (talk) 09:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Transcript of Dr. Jane Goodall's Comments on NPR Regarding Sasquatch (Bigfoot)

Transcript of Dr. Jane Goodall's Comments on NPR Regarding Sasquatch

On Friday, September 27, 2002, during National Public Radio's (NPR) Talk of the Nation: Science Friday with Ira Flatow, Dr. Jane Goodall made a striking comment on her strong beliefs that large "undiscovered" primates, such as the Yeti or Sasquatch, do indeed exist.

The following is a transcript of the relevant portion of the program:

Dr. Goodall: As for the other, you're talking about a yeti or bigfoot or sasquatch.

Ira Flatow: Is that what he's talking about?

Dr. Goodall: Yes, it is and ...

Ira Flatow: Is that the message I'm missing here?

Dr. Goodall: I think that's the message you're missing and ...

Ira Flatow: (To the caller) Is that right?

Caller: Pretty much.

Ira Flatow: (Laughing) I'm out of the loop. Go ahead.

Dr. Goodall: Well now, you'll be amazed when I tell you that I'm sure that they exist.

Ira Flatow: You are?

Dr. Goodall: Yeah. I've talked to so many Native Americans who all describe the same sounds, two who have seen them. I've probably got about, oh, thirty books that have come from different parts of the world, from China from, from all over the place, and there was a little tiny snippet in the newspaper just last week which says that British scientists have found what they believed to be a yeti hair and that the scientists in the Natural History Museum in London couldn't identify it as any known animal.

Ira Flatow: Wow.

Dr. Goodall: That was just a wee bit in the newspaper and, obviously, we have to hear a little bit more about that.

Ira Flatow: Well, in this age of DNA, if you find a hair there might be some cells on it.

Dr. Goodall: Well, there will be and I'm sure that's what they've examined and they don't match up. That's what my little tiny snippet says. They don't match up with DNA cells from known animals, so -- apes.

Ira Flatow: Did you always have this belief that there., that they, that they existed?

Dr. Goodall: Well, I'm a romantic, so I always wanted them to exist. (Chuckles.)

Ira Flatow: (To the caller) Alright?

Caller: Thank you.

Ira Flatow: Thanks for calling. (To Goodall) Well, how do you go looking for them? I mean, people have been looking, right? It's not like, or has this just been, since we don't really believe they can exist, we really haven't really made a serious search. Dr. Goodall: Well, there are people looking. There are very ardent groups in Russia, and they have published a whole lot of stuff about what they've seen. Of course, the big, the big criticism of all this is, "Where is the body?" You know, why isn't there a body? I can't answer that, and maybe they don't exist, but I want them to.

Reference

• [1], Transcript of Interview, The Bigfoot Field Researchers Organisation
• YOUTUBE: Dr. Jane Goodall Speaks About Bigfoot-PGF Normal Speed

Atulsnischal (talk) 09:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Name

There's either a myth or a different popular origin of the word "Yeti" than describe on the page that gets a lot of traction out there. It's been mentioned by Neil Gaiman on many times... evidently he (and his fans) believe that the word "Yeti" literally means "That thing over there". I was very disappointed when I found out it was the far more specific and rational "rock bear" reading. In any case, I think a sentence or two dispelling this popular rumor would be useful (or supporting it, if there's any way it might be the truth....) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.140.126 (talk) 09:22, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Mythology/culture

I was reading a thing on Bhutan and this legend/creature was apparently important to their culture once. I guess an artistic rendering of it was even on a stamp. Now they find it embarrassing. Is there anything more to say about that? The article seems to be mostly about cryptozoology and Western views.--T. Anthony (talk) 10:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Etymology

I wonder how much the writers who have written about the etymology of "yeti" actually know about Tibetan. Maybe they're experts, maybe not; it's not like nobody ever went off half-cocked talking when talking about Tibet. The Wylie g.ya'-dred looks plausible, but the spellings "je-tiet", "yeh", "pe-tah", etc. appear to be entirely ad hoc and bear a dubious relationship to how the these words would actually be pronounced. I put "yeh" in the maybe pile but I have no idea where the p or the a in "pe-tah" would come from out of dred. The expected "Standard" Tibetan pronunciation of g.ya'-dred would be [jãɖeʔ], which could perhaps be written phonetically as yanḍe’. However, it seems plausible that the [a] might be fronted [ɛ], the nasalisation might be considered optional, and the distinction between [ʈ] and [ɖ] might be neutralised. An English-speaking traveller, then, might record [ɖ] as "t", since the retroflexion means nothing to him. I'm not aware of any particular process where the [e] would become a [i], but it doesn't seem too far-fetched. With the glottal stop ignored, the result would be "yeti". It's interesting to note that the exact same discrepancy between the expected "Standard" pronunciation and the conventional English spelling occurs in the case of the lama and monastery named Reting.—Nat Krause^{(Talk!·What have I done?)} 16:55, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeti footprints recently photographed

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/odd/5094232/japanese-climbers-say-footprints-abominable-snowman/

Perhaps there should be a section on "evidence"

or, if there is, then a report on this occurrence might be good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.79.82.182 (talk) 13:28, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeti

i've tried to post this on the website, but it keeps being edited out. i just want to state that when i was in nepal in october/november of 2005, i trekked the annapurna circuit and the day after walking over the highest pass, i, and many of the other trekkers, saw 3 light gray apes (or large monkeys) scampering up the side of a steep field as farmers threw rocks at them, chasing them out of their grain field. none of the farmers seemed to act like it was particularly out of the ordinary, and i know that at least one scandinavian trekker caught it on his digital video camera. the apes were all about 5 feet tall, light gray, and very muscular, like an nfl defensive back or a world class sprinter, and they all bounded up the side of a very steep hill at an astonishing speed. i didn't see them walking upright, but the angle of the hill would have prevented a human from walking on two legs. in any case, i haven't seen any other record of large gray himalayan apes, other than the mythical yeti. i really want this to be on the record somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.182.113.100 (talk) 02:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

While that is certainly an interesting story, Wikipedia is not the place to publish it. Wikipedia has policies about original research, which can be read here WP:OR, which basically state that personal experiences aren't appropriate content for an article. Regards, ClovisPt (talk) 16:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

first, i want to say that it was 2004, not 2005 when i was there. sorry. i'm sure that probably puts my whole story in doubt in some people's minds, but it was just a mistake. the rest is as i described it. second, the entire history section is full of "personal reports". third hand, yes, but that's the only difference. i'm not a famous explorer and i didn't rush to the newspapers, but that shouldn't make my observation any less relevant.

But yes, as it is a completely undocumented siting, it is less relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.91.141.58 (talk) 14:49, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

hey, it's me again. it may have been the arunachal macaque, which was "discovered" in 2005, despite being known about by farmers for raiding their fields. i don't know how big these macaques are, but it fits the behavior. the color's a little off, as is the large tail, which i don't remember seeing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.115.249.239 (talk) 11:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

i really don't think they were, though, since i thought they were chimps when i first saw them. it's also not an undocumented sighting. i'm documenting it right the fuck here.

Scalp

just like to point out that theres little exsplantion for the scalp picture in this article and when it is mentiond its kind of vague and not much information is realy given about it if anyone knows more about it would it not be a good idea to put it in the article especially considering its the picture —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.69.132 (talk) 00:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

The scalp pictured was recently featured in an episode of Destination Truth Season two. More information about this same scalp including a debunking and more pictures(scroll up) can be found here.

"A buddist monastary near Everest has what it claims is the skull of a Yeti... claims in the past of a monastery that had several "hides" from Yetis. Ivan T. Sanderson dealt with these specific cases in length in his 1961 publication, 'Abominable Snowmen: Legend Come To Life', in Appendix E, entitled "Sir Edmund Hillary's scalp - A News Story From Nepal'. Per Dr. Heuvelmans, the hair and hide material are from a goat-like animal called the Serow (Capricornus Sumatrensis thar) indigenous to the area. Apparently these ceremonial items were designed and constructed to look like the real thing for the purpose of enacting religious ceremonies. The monks aparently were forthright in stating the truth but the frenzy for sensationalism at the time promoted the articles as real, which, clearly, they were not."

-- œ^™ 22:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

What I feel is that Yeti is nothing but the legendary myth of Lord hanuman. Now I am not a great believer myself but there have been many people who have received a photograph of Lord Hanuman by a person who claims to have clicked a photograph of a light coming out of a cave in the Himalayas and died after taking the photograph mysteriously. Lord Hanuman is one of the Chiranjeevs (Alive forever) in the Hindu myth - Ramayana.

He says to be waiting for the final avatar (incarnation) of Lord Vishnu Kalki in the 21st Century to destroy the world. Apparently, it has been said that the avatar has already come on earth and the Mystery of 16th December 2012 - the total destrustion of Earth is to be done by him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonichirag87 (talk • contribs) 04:05, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Lost World 2010?

There is an unsourced reference to an unreleased film that has no evidence of its own existence. Would the person who placed the reference please explain and provide a link to either evidence for the film or a yeti appearing in supposed film?68.253.213.126 (talk) 22:40, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Nepali translation

Hi guys, I just wanted to point out that 'हिममानव' translates more closely to 'snow man'. I know that evokes the wrong image, but I thought I'd leave this here just the same. (the 'Him' in 'Himalayas' is the same word, translating to something like 'abode of snow'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.97.238.6 (talk) 16:44, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

How do you think the term "Abominable Snowman" came around? Dunkleosteus77 (talk) 01:18, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Yeti

at disney world,florida in animal kingdom their is a ride called the expidition everest they have a bunch of pictures of yeti. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.38.118.179 (talk) 23:23, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Mythical Figure

May be it will be best if we change to mythical, no evidence of Yeti only myth!

Well, since there is evidence it would seem unscientific and fairly wrong-headed to call it mythical. Gingermint (talk) 05:32, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Mythological Creature - I would suggest we amend this phrase to something more ambiguous. In common usage, 'mythological' implies that the creature definitely does not exist, whereas its existence is, in fact, the subject of debate. We could either take the phrase out altogether & qualify the remainder of the sentence, so the opening reads "The Yeti or Abominable Snowman is an ape-like cryptid said to inhabit the Himalayan region of Nepal and Tibet, but whose existence is debated" OR we could replace 'mythological' with, say, 'cryptozoological' or 'legendary'. Any views on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Butcherscross (talk • contribs) 10:34, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree. I'd call this a consensus. The word is now gone. ~Amatulić (talk) 17:56, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Bobmanny11, 18 January 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} I would just like to add a bit about the show Destination Truth finding a Yeti print they had a big story about them finding this in the rule area of the himilas

Bobmanny11 (talk) 15:52, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Please write the exact sentence(s) that you think should be added. I (and, I assume, other editors) haven't seen the show, so there's no way for us to know what you want to add. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:06, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Requests to edit semi-protected articles must be accompanied by reference(s) to reliable sources. If you can supply such a reference, please reinstate your request. Thanks,  Chzz  ►  07:48, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

 Not done

Reference 31

In 1925, N. A. Tombazi, a photographer and member of the Royal Geographical Society, writes that he saw a creature at about 15,000 ft (4,600 m) near Zemu Glacier. Tombazi later wrote that he observed the creature from about 200 to 300 yd (180 to 270 m), for about a minute. "Unquestionably, the figure in outline was exactly like a human being, walking upright and stopping occasionally to pull at some dwarf rhododendron bushes. It showed up dark against the snow, and as far as I could make out, wore no clothes." About two hours later, Tombazi and his companions descended the mountain and saw the creature's prints, described as "similar in shape to those of a man, but only six to seven inches long by four inches wide[31]... The prints were undoubtedly those of a biped."[citation needed]

The reference cited at the last line doesn't exist in the end. I suggest removing it from the text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Japaa (talk • contribs) 00:59, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

No references

The footprints were examined by Jeffrey Meldrum of Idaho State University, who believed them to be too morphologically accurate to be fake or man made.[citation needed] Meldrum also stated that they were very similar to a pair of Bigfoot footprints that were found in another area.[citation needed] Then, during the 3rd season mid finale visit to Bhutan, Gates' team found a hair sample on a tree that they took back to have analyzed. After it was tested, it was concluded that the hair belonged to an unknown primate.[citation needed]

This whole part has no references and should therefore be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Japaa (talk • contribs) 01:56, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Copy Edits

This article is filled with grammatical errors. Is there any chance it could be copy-edited by someone for clarity's sake?

--24.68.0.118 (talk) 11:10, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

It also has the word "lilby" next to filthy. Does that word exist? or is it vandalism. 110.33.18.172 (talk) 06:04, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I made some grammar tweaks as well as removing "lilby" which seems to be a fragment from a previous edit. If you have specific suggestions, please post them. ~Amatulić (talk) 06:34, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Bubbles202, 9 July 2011

In Pop Culture

The Yeti is commonly used on the Youtube Channel, Vlogbrothers, to refer to vlogger and author, Jon Green's wife, Sarah Green.

Bubbles202 (talk) 02:26, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

 Not done. This is really trivia, no more than a personal term of one person to another person, has no reliable source coverage, and no evidence that this fact has had any influence on popular culture. The section in the article really needs to be cleaned up to meet encyclopedia standards. ~Amatulić (talk) 03:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

References

Minor edit - History, 19th Century

Under the History section: Date change for L.A. Waddell's "Among the Himalayas" should be 1899, not 1889. See: http://openlibrary.org/books/OL17918093M/Among_the_Himalayas ... There is also a second edition printed again in 1900, and reprinted in 1978. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lavadog321 (talk • contribs) 05:22, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks for the correction. I have made the change to the article, as well as adding that source and correcting the quotation. ~Amatulić (talk) 14:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeti Pokémon

Shouldn't someone add the Pokémon Snover and Abomasnow to the "Popular Culture" section? 24.124.88.11 (talk) 04:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

• If we're going to do TV shows, why not put in the one episode of The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, "Yeti or Not, Here I Come!", which mainly features a Yeti named A-Bomb. --220.240.26.137 (talk) 05:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

And if your going to add such things, Scooby-Doo has had several edisodes, "That's Snow Ghost", "The Ghost of Bigfoot", "There's no Creature like Show Creature", "Snow Job Too Small", "Tender Bigfoot", and a Movie, "Chill Out Scooby-Do". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wanderer711 (talk • contribs) 14:19, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

"The Creature" episode of "BBC Sunday Night Theatre" in 1955 concerned the Yeti, and a movie was based on it later. Since it is by famous "Quatermass" author Nigel Kneale it may be worth including, certainly it is one of the earliest television incarnations of the Yeti. 2.29.161.160 (talk) 23:24, 26 September 2011 (UTC)F Shailes

Name of book?

Does anyone know the name of the book on which The Telegraph based the following information? "In 1960 Hillary's search for the Abominable Snowman, financed by an American publisher, reached the conclusion that the animal was a myth derived from rare sightings of the Tibetan blue bear. Strange footprints were attributed to deformed Sherpa feet.". Moriori (talk) 20:46, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

From his article, this book is the best guess: High in the thin cold air; the story of the Himalayan Expedition, led by Sir Edmund Hillary, sponsored by World Book Encyclopedia, with Desmond Doig (1963) ASIN B00005W121. My searches on google books for "yeti", "scalp" and "hand" don't show much, but what there is reveal a viewpoint consistent with the original Telegraph quote. You'd probably have to buy a copy to find out for sure. Sophie means wisdom (talk) 20:56, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 10 October 2011

Siberian Authorities Officially Announced Yeti's Existence. http://www.businessinsider.com/siberian-authorities-officially-announce-yetis-existence-2011-10 Kra3 (talk) 20:10, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Good find, but that source is a joke, posted by a new employee of Business Insider. Fortunately it references a better source: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=siberian-region-confirms-yeti-exists-2011-10-10 ~Amatulić (talk) 20:26, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

And here's one debunking it: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/bigfoot-forum-derided-as-united-russia-ploy/445159.html ~Amatulić (talk) 20:29, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

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Wrong Section

In the section "Pre-19th century". There's a sentence that says "Up to the 1960s, belief in the yeti was relatively common in Bhutan and in 1966 a Bhutanese stamp was made to honor the creature.[28] However, in the twenty-first century belief in the being has declined."

Should this be moved?129.139.1.69 (talk) 21:39, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, good catch. I have moved it. ~Amatulić (talk) 23:16, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request in Possible Explainations

I've read Reinhold Messner's book, My Quest for the Yeti, and I don't remember him claiming to have killed a Yeti/Himalayan bear. I followed the link in the citation and that page doesn't mention killing either. Maybe the phrase "and claims to have actually killed one" should be removed until a source can be found.

97.156.227.85 (talk) 04:10, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

i think they should add that information relating to the dscovery of a hair sample of a yeti by josh gates and his team, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.194.68.105 (talk) 07:27, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Artistic interpretations

We need to reach consensus on the use of artistic interpretations of the Yeti. I for one think it's encyclopedic to show how most people perceive the Yeti. I added this picture (it was removed), but maybe there's another better picture? --Beao 22:49, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

i hiked the annapurna circuit in sept/oct 2004. about a day's walk after the thorong-la pass, a group of us saw some farmers chase 3 light gray apes out of their field and into a forest. 174.25.80.173 (talk) 15:49, 12 January 2011 (UTC)l. jason brann 1/12/10

58.65.144.252 (talk) 04:19, 15 June 2013 (UTC) There is a depicion of the Yeti in the film 7 Faces of Dr Lao, which is not listed in the Film Representation section. can it be addded?

Alternate explanation of the name?

I always thought that Yeti was derived from "Yati" which is an old Sanskrit term for an ascetic (from the verb yam, to restrain). There are lots of references to them in the Vedas and in the Mahabharata, where they are said to inhabit desolate places (alt. "to dwell in emptiness"). The term never really faded out, and the term is still used in Hinduism (though rarely, as far as I can tell). Joseph Walser

I did find an academic article that mentions the possibility of "yeti" being derived from "yati" but it isn't definite about the point. http://www.atpweb.org/jtparchive/trps-29-97-01-047.pdf ~Amatulić (talk) 21:41, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

metch

Did Tilman use "metch" or "metch-kangmi"? The article is unclear. I am unimpressed by David Snellgrove's 1955 claim the consonants "t-c-h" cannot be conjoined in the Tibetan language. Is he talking about the International Phonetic Alphabet? I hardly think Tilman intended t-c-h to be a sequence of the three consonants t then c then h. If OTOH t-c-h is a transcription, then the question is what scheme did Tilman use? Wylie transliteration and Tibetan pinyin had not yet been invented. But tɕ or tɕʰ or tsʰ are Tibetan consonants which an English speaker might well informally transcribe as "tch". jnestorius^(talk) 20:49, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 October 2013: Yeti page (Eric Shipton photograph)

The famous Eric Shipton photogarph was a hoax. Eric was well known as a joker. Author Jim Perrin in his recent book Shipton & Tilman relates on p 386 Ed Hillary's version. Shipton sent the photo to Daily Mail and it just got out of hand.

86.131.102.6 (talk) 20:40, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:26, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2014

A very popular video game franchise Uncharted had a scene where the protagonist named Nathan Drake had to defeat 'yeti' .In its fairly new IP UNCHARTED 2 this creature is found. yeti also becomes a recurring character to appear several times throughout the course of the game. thank you for reading my request

Please see the answer in the section above. We need a more reliable source than Wikia. ~Amatulić (talk) 18:36, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

References

State Department Regulations?

The memo from the US consul to the State Department is cited as evidence that the US created regulations regarding searches for the yeti, but as I read it, it does not say that. It is interpreted at least as plausibly as reporting Nepalese regulations. I submit that that is the correct interpretation since the US consulate has no authority to regulate what US citizens do in another country.Bill (talk) 01:41, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2014

27.57.67.23 (talk) 17:17, 24 August 2014 (UTC) it cannot be mentioned as myth because there may evidence for Yati so please change that wordings

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request. - Arjayay (talk) 17:23, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeti in music

Amon Düül II band have on album "Yeti" songs "Yeti" and "Yeti Talks to Yogi". 87.95.42.151 (talk) 22:01, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Results of DNA tests on supposed Yeti sample

There was a tv programme in Britain that analyised the DNA of supposed Yeti specimens. Initially a match was found in one of them with an ancient polar bear, but updated results now suggest it was just a rare local contemporary species of bear. Lots of detail here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-30479718 2.101.10.148 (talk) 11:35, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2015

The last sentence of the opening paragraph has an error. "An Oxford scientist prepares expedition to find it." should at least say "An Oxford scientist prepares an expedition to find it."

But it should probably read, "Bryan Stykes, an Oxford University geneticist, is currently preparing an expedition to find it." as is described in the referenced article #6.

Wavemode (talk) 05:53, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 09:27, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Minor Edits to the Popular Culture section

Films

• The Yeti appears in the Walt Disney computer-animated movies Monsters, Inc. and Monsters University. In both movies, the Yeti was voiced by John Ratzbenger.

Video Games

• In League of Legends, a multiplayer online battle arena game, Nunu, one of the playable champions, rides a Yeti.

Hanakat (talk) 06:53, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

 Not done. We don't cite Wikipedia or any other Wiki as sources. For such entries to be acceptable, we'd need some third party coverage in a reliable source, or an example where Yeti played a significant or essential part. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:17, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

References

Edit request in Television

The name of the abominable snowman in Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer is The Bumble to Bumble not Bumbles. Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special)#Cast of characters — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.121.67.63 (talk) 03:24, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

 Done. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:24, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

2013 sighting

Apparently, a 11-year old russian boy saw a yeti and filmed it on camera, not very distinctly though. someone pls add the info from this source - http://siberiantimes.com/weird-and-wonderful/news-and-features/news/yeti-sighting-in-siberia-claims-russian-expert/ ---- Kailash29792 (talk) 15:13, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Someone please add this info now ---- Kailash29792 (talk) 16:57, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Why? It isn't relevant. It's a fuzzy and discredited video. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:39, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Why was there an eleven year old Russian boy trekking through the Himalayas? Dunkleosteus77 (talk) 01:16, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Popular Culture Reference

In the Video Games section I'd like to add in a reference to Unchartered 2: Among Thieves in which one of the key boss fights in the Himalayas is with a Yeti. Mirrorspider (talk) 14:46, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

And I'd like to change that section so that it includes only video games for which a Yeti that has been described in reliable independent sources as a significant feature of the game. That would eliminate most or all of the existing list. As it is now, it's just an indiscriminate list. I suggest you propose the change you want, with wording and a cited source. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:16, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

In the films section I'd like to add in a reference to Rise of the Guardians in which there are Yetis working at Santa's workshop — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.144.74 (talk) 20:32, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Edit Request Popular Culture. Literature

• Suggest adding the Following. "A Yeti is the central character in the Nebula and Hugo Award winning novella Escape From Kathmandu by Kim Stanley Robinson. ISBN 0-312-93196-4. Members of an academic expedition to the Himalaya's attempt to gain fame by capturing a Yeti, while others in the expedition try to thwart the plan and protect the secret." The plot summary may or may not be appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidFreeThink (talk • contribs) 13:39, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

 Not done Per our guidelines for "in pop culture" it would require a third party source commenting about the appearance. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:22, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Different species of yeti?

What about adding information on at least three different types / species of yeti? Heuvelmans mentions nyalmo, rimi and rakshi-bompo. There is not a word on them on Wiki... Cf. also http://www.bigfootencounters.com/creatures/nyalamo.htm

31.11.242.188 (talk) 11:14, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

 Not done we only use reliably published sources with a reputation for fact checking and editorial oversight, not fringe blogs. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:25, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Footprints are overlapping bear prints?

Britannica says "At certain gaits bears place the hindfoot partly over the imprint of the forefoot, thus making a very large imprint that looks deceptively like an enormous human footprint positioned in the opposite direction." [2] I found a page on bear tracks [3]. The example on that page of overlapping tracks do look like a larger foot, but it doesn't create prints going in the opposite direction of the bear like Britannica claims. However, this page attempts to make exactly this point about the tracks being overlapping bear tracks and gives plenty of examples. [4] However I still don't see anything about the tracks going in the opposite direction. 42engineer (talk) 20:32, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

The "Edit" link at the top of that Britannica page suggests that this entry is user-generated content, and therefore not a reliable source. The bear.org site is reliable enough, but the third reference appears to be a personal blog. Interesting comparison though. ~Amatulić (talk) 04:49, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2015

Category:Tibetan folklore

76.88.98.65 (talk) 01:59, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

 Partly done Category:Tibetan folklore has been relocated to Category:Tibetan mythology so I have added that instead - Arjayay (talk) 08:43, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

edit request

Nepali language link is showing red colour in the first line. --NewMutants (talk) 04:32, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't see any red links in the article. ~Amatulić (talk) 05:11, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

"The Yeti (/ˈjɛti/)[3] or Abominable Snowman (Nepali: हिममानव himamānav, lit. "mountain man")" I am seeing the Nepali part in red from yesterday. Clicking the red link takes me to the page Nepali language. Hovering the mouse shows the page does not exist.--NewMutants (talk) 09:35, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2016

Note to add in the "In Popular Culture" section: In the 1997 video game Tomb Raider II, Lara Croft comes across numerous violent Yeti late in the Tibetan portion of the game. The Yeti are only present in the "Catacombs of the Talion" and "Ice Palace" levels. Indigochronicles (talk) 12:46, 31 January 2016 (UTC) Indigochronicles (talk) 12:46, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Not done for now: I don't think that specific distinction is really needed in this article. Would like to see what other editors have to say --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 17:38, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

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Pseudoscience and Cryptozoology

I've recently removed a bunch of pro-cryptozoology stuff from this article. To be clear, cryptozoology is a pseudoscience, and Wikipedia isn't a promotional outlet for this stuff (WP:UNDUE, WP:PSEUDOSCIENCE) Or it isn't anymore. Please be vigilant about material added to the article intended to promote cryptozoology. In the mean time, it'd be great to be get more reliable secondary sources on here from folklorists and anthropologists—or even specialists in Nepali. We should have a little section on what role the topic had in the development of cryptozoology but letting the pseudoscience run unchecked in the mean time is something that shouldn't be tolerated. :bloodofox: (talk) 02:22, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

A cryptozoologist on Wikipedia has taken issue with the bizarre quote from Nature that I've removed ([5]). The cherrypicked quote is there in an attempt to present cryptozoology as something other than an outright pseudoscience, misleading the reader. This is discussed on the cryptzoology article. :bloodofox: (talk) 16:41, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Jeez, Bloodofox (aka the Cryptozoology Finder-General), you are getting a bit McCarthy now. Your position that all academics reject cz is falsified by Gee and all the refs I have given elsewhere. If you want to say much of cz is pseudoscience, I am with you but clearly not all of it and clearly it is not entirely rejected by the scientific community. I must admit I found it rather amusing that, without even a hint of irony, you deleted a positive reference to cz from the scientific literature on the basis there is zero support for cz is the scientific literature! I really would recommend you read some of the skeptical book treatments of cryptozoology, you might be quite surprised. Also I would read some basic philosophy of science then you might be less likely to throw the term "pseudoscience" around with so much abandon. You still have not explained how something can be "outright pseudoscience" with "zero academic support", if there are i) occasional favourable quotes from Nature ii) papers in top ranked zoology journals, iii) a prominent blogger at Scientific American and iv) conferences at the Zoological Society of London. Also cz is not a belief system as you seem to believe. I don't think bigfoot, yeti or the Loch Ness monster exist nor do many other people interested in the topic. Tullimonstrum (talk) 17:29, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

This doesn't merit much of a response. Wikipedia isn't here to promote pseudoscience. A cherrypicked quote that places a pseudoscience in a somewhat flattering light is simply WP:UNDUE. :bloodofox: (talk) 17:41, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

I have partially restored what was removed, as I don't see a case being made for excluding the entire passage. I didn't restore the out-of-context promotion of cryptozoology. ~Amatulić (talk) 00:34, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Seems reasonable to me.Tullimonstrum (talk) 11:00, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Add moehau to 'Similar alleged creatures' list

I'm not very familiar with talk pages and editing on Wikipedia, but I think the moehau of New Zealand could be included in the list of Similar alleged creatures. Apteryx12014 (talk) 11:13, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2016

I believe the literal translation of the yeti in Nepali (हिममानव) has been written wrongly as "mountain man". In a literal translation, the first part of the word, हिम (hima) means ice or snow (as seen in https://translate.google.com/#ne/en/हिम. I also have fluency in Nepali). The second part of the word, मानव (mānav), means human or man. Because of this, it is probably more accurate to have the literal translation of the word as "ice human" or "snow man". The exact suggested edit is as follows:

The original introduction of the article is:

In the folklore of Nepal, the Yeti (/ˈjɛti/) or Abominable Snowman (Nepali: हिममानव himamānav, lit. "mountain man") is an ape-like entity taller than an average human that is said to inhabit the Himalayan region of Nepal, Bhutan and Tibet.

I would suggest it be changed to:

In the folklore of Nepal, the Yeti (/ˈjɛti/) or Abominable Snowman (Nepali: हिममानव himamānav, lit. "snow man") is an ape-like entity taller than an average human that is said to inhabit the Himalayan region of Nepal, Bhutan and Tibet.

Thanks. Svdsps (talk) 18:51, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

@Svdsps: Thanks for the suggestion. I have made the change in the article. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:52, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

References

Edit request on 11 December 2012

my name's jason brann. i'm a pretty reliable source, i guess, even though what i have to say may be surprising. i think i saw a yeti. 3, in fact. it was in nepal. 2004 or 2005. i could look it up, but i'm not going to right now. it was about early october. you can't go during the spring or summer cuz the rain and i wouldn't want to get caught in the himalayas in the winter. i have no idea about everest, but they'd gotten snowed out, so the trail was crowded with people who were planning on hiking everest but couldn't, so they decided to do this instead. i was a teacher in korea. i quit my job because this woman showed me pictures of the annapurna circuit and i needed a change. so i was about two weeks in, the day after the thorong-la pass, when i saw three light gray apes of some sort shooting up a maybe 15 foot rock face and disappear into the forest. apparently, they had been raiding a farmer's field. some kinda grain, i think, and they were throwing rocks or sticks and yelling at them, chasing them off. the apes were in tight formation, and very muscular, and my initial thought was that they were a family, since the one in the middle was a little taller, but all around 5 feet or so, but they moved identically, and fast, especially considering it was straight up. i'd say 20-30 mph. you see that sort of quickness in a squirrel going up a tree. the motion was hands grabbing on what looked like completely flat rock, then feet over hands together and then they bounded up the rest of the way. i wasn't the only witness. i think there were three or four farmers that i saw. one looked at me with a blank stare afterwards. i have no idea what he was thinking. there was my guide. he was excited, and said he'd never seen them before. there was this british guy, andy something, and his guide, and there were three or four north western europeans and they had a guide. i never talked to them because of the language barrier. i think one of the guides was named ali, but don't hold me to that one. i can't remember the other names. i think one of the guides used a fake name for english speakers that's just escaped me over the years. bob or something. anyway, it happened really fast. i'm sure if you took a traker back to the area you could find evidence. i mean, if you can climb around on those rocks to look for evidence. it's pretty precarious. you'd need expert mountain-climbers, i'd think, and probably some permits, but it's doable. so yeah, that's one of the coolest things that's happened to me. Brothertupelo (talk) 19:14, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

 Not done, Wikipedia does not use unpublished anecdotes. --McGeddon (talk) 19:27, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

That's one of the funniest ed-req's I've ever read on Wiki. 98.67.1.155 (talk) 21:06, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Agreed - plus, the photo looks like a shrubbery? 104.169.44.33 (talk) 03:21, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

21st century

A sentence on the discovery of "Yeti" hair in Bhutan states, "Then, during the 3rd season mid finale visit to Bhutan, Gates' team found a hair sample on a tree that they took back to have analyzed. After it was tested, it was concluded that the hair belonged to an unknown primate."

Should we change the wording of "unknown primate." Does it mean that the hair was from a species of primate that is unknown and undiscovered by science? Or (more likely) does it mean that the hair was from a primate but without other indicators, scientist can't pinpoint the exact species?

The first option leads people to believe that it was most assuredly bigfoot/yeti hair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.108.169.199 (talk) 13:05, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Bryan Skyes geneticist at Oxford university preformed DNA testing on 2 samples thought to be from the rumored yeti, one found by a hunter 40 years ago, the other a single hair, the second was from a hair found on bamboo film makers found *Missing*. Samples were from the Himalayas and upon testing scientist have reported a 100% match to a polar bear related creature which was thought to live between 40,000-100,000 years ago. Skyes also suggest the species is still alive today. This hybridization could be the results of interbreeding between polar bears and brown bears, which are closely related enough to breed and have been known to breed when their territories overlap.<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10384000/Yeti-lives-Abominable-Snowman-is-part-polar-bear-and-still-roams-the-Himalayas.html>

Well of course they'd say "unknown primate" because if they said "We're not alone after all" people would freak out! Dunkleosteus77 (talk) 01:18, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Alone?? There are about 8 billion people on this planet, plus a whole lotta ants. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.169.44.33 (talk) 03:23, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2017

Add a new bullet under "In popular culture":

      The Yeti makes an appearance in Tintin in Tibet

The words "Tintin in Tibet" should link to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tintin_in_Tibet RaynardVH (talk) 04:06, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 06:08, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Popular culture

If we must have these sections, surely the depiction of Yeti in Monsters Inc is worth a mention? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:37, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Well, that was kind of a bit part, almost a cameo. He wasn't critical to the plot, which would have done fine without the Yeti scene. I had always assumed that the Yeti's appearance in Monsters Inc was an homage to the Abominable Snowman in Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special), which was a much more significant role. That might be more deserving of a mention - or maybe mentioning both shows in the same bullet point, if a source can be found to verify my assumed link between Monsters Inc and Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:19, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Aaand... here's a reference: http://ew.com/article/2001/11/09/moments-you-missed-monsters-inc/ with a quote stating that the Yeti in Monsters Inc was indeed inspired by the Abominable Snowman from Rudolph. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:22, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Cool! --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:13, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

OK, I added an entry that mentions both. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:21, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Unlock, update

Time to unlock this page & update it in accordance with the University of Buffalo's research -see The Atlantic article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.133.173.219 (talk) 04:44, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

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jam this one into the appropriate section somewhere - I removed it from the Kemerovo article

In October 2011, Kemerovo administrators announced that they had "indisputable proof" that mountains in the region were inhabited by Yeti. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.3.17 (talk) 22:13, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Pseudoscience and developing an article from reliable sources

Like many of its type on the site, this article is plagued by pseudoscience, most notably cryptozoology its close relative, Young Earth creationism. However, unlike many articles like it, there are numerous sources available out there that meet WP:RS requirements from folklorists, anthropologists, and academics active in other relevant disciplines. Readers who have taken the time to read reliable sources in this area and then encounter this article will note that the article remains waist-deep in quackery, commercial interests, and who knows what else, telling a very different story than what sober-eyed academics have to say on the topic, starting from a linguistic analysis of the words that spawned the concept of this entity in the English language and into what the figured has developed in modern popular culture. As article is closely connected to Bigfoot, before this article gets the rewrite it needs, this article will first need a rewrite.

Here are a few sources useful to start with for relaunching this article to be WP:RS and WP:PSEUDOSCIENCE-complaint:

• Joshua Blu Bluhs. 2009. Bigfoot: The Life and Times of a Legend. University of Chicago Press.
• Daniel Loxton & Donald Prothero. 2013. Abominable Science: Origins of the Yeti, Nessie, and other Famous Cryptids. Columbia University Press.

I'm currently working on sorting out the notorious Mokele-mbembe (Young Earth creationism and Cryptozoology together, united, hunting for a dinosaur in the Congo to 'prove evolution wrong'), but I'll turn my attention to this article as time allows. :bloodofox: (talk) 18:50, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 July 2018

The yeti was featured on the 1964 Jonny Quest animated series episode Monsters in the Monastery. Joshua Muscat (talk) 22:10, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 02:07, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

The Bigfoot Files

A Channel 4 (UK) documentary, the episode on the 20/10/13 showed Brian Sykes testing the claimed (i.e the ones considered least likely to be hoaxes) physical samples of "yeti" hair.

there's a summation of the episode on C4's website but basically the conclusion was that 2 of the samples collected in areas 800 miles apart were exact match in terms of DNA of a type of Polar bear that died 40000 years ago. the hypothesis was that it was a common ancestor of modern Polar bears and brown bears. Or something along those lines. I was actually reading this article while the program was on.

Not sure if it's been published or if a channel 4 documentary is even a reliable source, but thought i'd suggest it's addition anyway.

BTW I'm not looking to prove the existence of legendary creatures, i think pseudoscience is mental.. but this is seemingly actual evidence of something previously unknown to science (albeit a species of bear) living in the Himalayas which the locals call "Yeti".````

Sign your posts with four tildas (50.111.19.178 (talk) 09:10, 25 October 2018 (UTC)). For a species to propogate/survive, there must be a minimum stable population. Any such bear would have been seen/identified long ago.50.111.19.178 (talk) 09:10, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Addition Under Pop Culture

Under pop culture, I think it should be included that Yeti's are an enemy type that protagonist Lara Croft encounters in Tomb Raider 2, as it is a best-selling and worldwide recognized franchise and a significant part of gaming history.2601:49:1:5316:5579:8545:B3B1:2488 (talk) 08:19, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2019

History ~ 20th Century section needs to be updated with the following

2019 April 29 Indian Army had tweeted that an #IndianArmy Moutaineering Expedition Team has sited Mysterious Footprints of mythical beast 'Yeti' measuring 32x15 inches close to Makalu Base Camp on 09 April 2019. This elusive snowman has only been sighted at Makalu-Barun National Park in the past.

 Already done. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 03:46, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2020

In Other names and locations [6], there is a typo. "mst" is written instead of "most". TrueBoxGuy (talk) 22:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done — IVORK _Talk 22:21, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

geographi of paris

it will like good 182.177.195.32 (talk) 12:50, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 January 2022

Under the alternative names I'd like to add also the "Mátranovák treeskinner" or in hungarian the "Mátranováki fanyűvő" what has been seen just recently in Mátranovák in Mátra, which is a mountain in North-Hungary. Otto Takacs (talk) 10:42, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:37, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 January 2022 - Credibility of Sławomir Rawicz

Credibility of Sławomir Rawicz. Can someone cut and paste this from Sławomir Rawicz and post in on the Yeti page, after his account of two bipedal animals that were doing seemingly nothing but shuffling around in the snow.

'In 2006 the BBC released a report based on former Soviet records, including statements written by Rawicz himself, showing that Rawicz had been released as part of the 1942 general amnesty of Poles in the USSR and subsequently transported across the Caspian Sea to a refugee camp in Iran, leading the report to conclude that his supposed escape to India never occurred.'

Rawicz was shown to be unreliable. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6098218.stm 5.81.40.185 (talk) 22:40, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

If this huge number of reasearchers and other people have gone into this , then why can't they find him ? Or why don't they even have a single picture , they only know how to take the pictures of its footprints which will absolutulely not do it .

At the end I think that its just a simple myth.👍🏻 2409:4054:484:F270:F857:E030:E66B:DB20 (talk) 01:27, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

@2409:4054:484:F270:F857:E030:E66B:DB20 It's very hard to "catch" a yeti. it's one of those wild creatures which can even kill u by ur sight. it's not as easy as commented here Saanvi Army (talk) 15:06, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Yeti

Yetis are very cool. They are awesome. 76.99.191.215 (talk) 12:50, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Add YETI Holdings, Inc.

I suggest adding YETI Holdings, Inc. to the In Popular Culture/Others list. This article does not provide an "Edit" option, else I would have done so already. 2601:601:8702:D2B0:8CAE:F7A3:874C:EE0 (talk) 21:39, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2023

I wanted to add the Kashmiri term for Forest Man or Yeti in the related/similar creatures part. Kharsenz (talk) 03:44, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

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Art

May I suggest that someone find a less cartoonish image for the page? 207.113.239.144 (talk) 01:36, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

What do you think of this one? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:50, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

I prefer this one. Masato.harada (talk) 11:51, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2023

Change contents section name from citations to footnotes and change contents section name from general and cited references to sources 213.202.138.17 (talk) 12:10, 29 October 2023 (UTC)