Talk:Yikes (Kanye West song)/GA1

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Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 17:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Infobox

• Format: Digital download and streaming → no source, not cited in the release history

 Not done for streaming but removed download, since the song was sent to playlists. Can I add streaming to release history tho?

Sure, add the release date as well. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:42, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

• Recorded: 2018 → no source, not in the body of the article

  Added a source from the Ye article in the body, does it look fine with the sentence though?

I can't find it...Just quote here. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:14, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

"However, it was 12 years later that West recorded "Yikes" during the recording sessions for Ye." thoughts? --Kyle Peake (talk) 14:46, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

• Studio: West's ranch in Jackson Hole, Wyoming → same as previous

  Ditto?

Source, once more. Add it to the credits section too. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:59, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Are you sure this needs to be directly sourced since the album was entirely recorded in Jackson Hole and this is a song from it?

I'm 100% sure, you just can't claim it was recorded in a place withouth a source. If I came across only this article and wrote "it was recorded in X place" without a source, anyone would think how do you know this? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:14, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Should I put in credits and personnel "Recorded at West's ranch in Jackson Hole, Wyoming" and add a ref at the end of the sentence? --Kyle Peake (talk) 14:46, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:52, 2 April 2020 (UTC)  Done

• Genre: Hip hop, spoken word and psychedelic → same as previous

  Spoken word is directly cited and if there's rapping then it can be cited as hip hop, psychedelic drug refs are mentioned.

Rapping is not the same as hip hop, "rapping is not a required component of hip hop music", on top of that, source as well. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:59, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Lead

• The song was written by West, Dean, Aubrey Graham, Cydel Young, Dexter Mills, Danielle Balbuena, Jordan Jenks, Asten Harris, Malik Jones, Kenneth Pershon, Terrence Boykin and Jordan Thorpe, with the information being revealed what content Graham, professionally known as Drake, was responsible for. → this is a grocery list, try this instead "The song was written by its producers along with eight additional songwriters, which included Aubrey Graham, known professionally as Drake and as it samples "Kothbiro" (1976) by Black Savage, songwriting credits were added for James Mbarack Achieng and Ayub Ogada.
• US rhythmic contemporary → it is not supported by the source you provided.
• the song contains samples of "Kothbiro", written by Ayub Ogada and James Mbarack Achieng, and performed by Black Savage. → remove it will be above
• Link music critis to music journalism.
• "The majority of them commended its production, while some critics drew comparisons between the song and West's previous works, and praised the honesty of its lyrical content...It charted in a total of 19 countries worldwide in 2018, and was ultimately certified platinum in the US by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA)." → The majority of them commended its production, whith some drawing comparisons between the song and West's previous works, while praising the honesty of its lyrical content...It charted in several countries in 2018, and was certified platinum in the US by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).

• The word ultimately will be required as it was not certified in 2018

No it won't, it could have been certified this year, it has a comma it is a diferent setence, henceforth the "and".

 Done

Background

• though the update occurred at the same time as the controversy between Drake and West's signee Pusha T over the former's usage of ghostwriters → not relevant to the article.

• You would think this initially but the given ref mentions it in connection, plus this part is about the "writing" of the song so controversy between Drake and West's signee over writing is relevant

I looked more closely to the source. The problem here is the prashing it comes out of nowhere. I will try to make it more relevant. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:55, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

• "Kenyan musicians Ayub Ogada and James Mbarack Achieng received writing credits due to having wrote the work that "Yikes" samples, while the track was written by West" → Kenyan musicians Ayub Ogada and James Mbarack Achieng received writing credits due to having wrote, "Kothbiro" (1976) by Black Savage, the work that "Yikes" samples. The track was also written by West...; just making it more clear with more info
• June 25 → year?
• Eothen "Egon" Alapatt → who? First and only appearence on the entire article.

I still don't understand the conection between this person and West or Black Savage? Does that label owns or distributes the records? or something like that? Or is he an interested third party for some reason? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:55, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

"Since 2002, Alapatt’s globetrotting Now Again Records – originally an offshoot of dusty-fingered indie hip-hop titan Stones Throw – has crate-dug American funk obscurities and anthologized funk and rock scenes in Nigeria, Indonesia and Zambia to re-release for a new audience. For his wild Wyoming summer, West has sampled extensively from the label’s rarities and contemporary revisions" from the article, i.e he has knowledge of the music West is sampling

I get it now, but the casual reader still won't as it might not be familiar with that, as I won't. So how about "In response to the sampling within the track, Now Again Records founder Eothen "Egon" Alapatt, who has knowledge that West sampled music from the label, said.... MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

• first hearing the sampled record in 2006 → so the sample for Yikes, or West had already sampled said record or was this another sample of the Kothbiro? Needs to be way more specific

 Done

Composition and lyrics

• Yikes" is an aggressive track that has a resemblance to West's The Life of Pablo track "Wolves".[9][10][11][12][13] → you don't need five sources, leave HipHopDX, NME and other.
• "Yikes", he claims to pray for Russell Simmons because the mogul "got #MeToo'd." → from The Atlantic (as it doesn't claim a single thing from the first sentence)
• "poclaiming his mental illness is a “superpower” and embracing his prescriptions...vertop an echoing ad-lib and pummeling bass knocks" → HipHopDX
• "Ann-Derrick Gaillot of The Outline viewed the song's instrumental as being "sparse, horror film-esque" and labeled it as "evoking 'Wolves'." → more suitd here than in the critical reception.
• " Lucy Jones of The Daily Telegraph claimed that the song "rolls on a tropical-style, meandering beat, veering between moods" and called its chorus "the kind of melodic, emotional stanza you could imagine hearing in a Linkin Park song."" → same as previous

"West referencing his bipolar disorder as personal content related to his mental health" → add more strenght to the claims already made here

• "the humid bloom of the bass" and "the way the drunken drums and MPC hiccups stagger upwind through that distorted drone" → more suitd here than in the critical reception.
• Where is the genre of the song? Is nowhere to be seen?
• darkened-club" track → perfect for here  Not done yet but I will probably add... would this mean EDM in infobox or what genre otherwise?

• Needs to stay in reception too for showing that the song received a mixed review

I didn't said to move the all thing, just this part that adds 0 to the reception but it is vital to this part... MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:47, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

It's relevant to both as it proves the review is mixed but also discusses the composition

Like I said move the compostion part but leave the mixed review here. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:52, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

• that "he scoffs in an anesthetized Juvenile flow," → the type of flow was compared to Juvenile
• This needs to be expanded, you have the sources and information for it. For some reason you decided to not use it.

• This is true but to what degree? I may need help since this shouldn't cram in information from too many different ops of the comp.

I can't write this stuff, I don't need to be a bias editor, I will do so if I forget something or else. Take a look at "Love the Way You Lie" to get an idea. For example, music notes for tempo, vocal range, and key. Some sources do cite instrumentation, check the review sources they usually add some more. Add an explanation of the lyrics if available, take at lokk at the coments I made here and below to get more ideas. Henceforth this section and the other are on hold for me as I will review a second time after you make more changes. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:58, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I'll begin re-writing this soon

MarioSoulTruthFan A few questions have been imposed to you. --Kyle Peake (talk) 18:55, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: ask me on the overall sectio. This is too messy. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:57, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done

Release and promotion

• "On June 1, 2018, "Yikes" was released as the second track on West's eighth studio album Ye, replacing the track "XTCY" that was originally slated to be released from this position under the title of "Extacy"" → a bit confusing, try this instead "Yikes" replaced "XTCY", that was originally slated to be released under the title of "Extacy", as the second track on West's eighth studio album Ye.
• June 11 → June 11 of the same year
• US rhythmic contemporary radio → once more, no source backing this was the radio stations genre, it could have been mainstream, urban, urban AC, Adult pop and so on...
• "The song was sent to UK mainstream radio stations by West's labels GOOD Music and Def Jam as the lead single on June 8, 2018.[21] Despite debuting the album without a single, West made the decision on June 11 to release the song as the lead single from it in the United States, with him deciding on it as the most appropriate track for radio.[22][23] Such a release had been rumored beforehand, and the song was serviced to US rhythmic contemporary radio stations through the aforementioned labels on the same day as West's decision.[23][24] Though most people had already heard Ye at the time of this decision, a lead single still had to be chosen for promotion.[22] Once West chose it to be a single, the song was set to be the focus of promotion for radio stations and streaming services, including Spotify and Apple Music; it was promoted on the former's Rap Caviar, among various other playlists." → this is a huge mess with a lot of repetition I will try to make it more clean and clear, I tried to put the sources by order.
• "Although most people had already heard Ye at the time of release, a lead single still had to be chosen for promotion.[22] Henceforth, "Yikes" was sent to UK mainstream radio stations by GOOD Music and Def Jam as the lead single on June 8, 2018.[22][21] On June 11, 2018 West made the decision to release "Yikes" as the first single in the United States, as he thought it was the most appropriate track for radio.[23] It was serviced to US radio stations through the aforementioned labels.[23][24] It was the focus of promotion for radio stations and streaming services, including Spotify and Apple Music; it was included on the former's Rap Caviar, among various other playlists.[22][23]" → replace the one above with this.
• "West had enjoyed success on radio stations across the US in promotion of his previous album The Life of Pablo in 2016 when the two-part single "Father Stretch My Hands" became popular on urban contemporary radio." → Not related to the article
• "After "Yikes" didn't perform well on record charts as the first single, West's labels tried to prevent the album from losing momentum by pushing "All Mine" as the second single in July after he selected it for such a release. Though *"Yikes" proved to not be a chart success, the song experienced continuous popularity on streaming services." → "Though "Yikes" was not a chart success, the song experienced continuous popularity on streaming services." Use the sentence on All Mine, it is not related to "Yikes".

 Done with minor changes

Critical reception

• Year of the release of the songs in between brackets.
• "perhaps isn't surprising as he has been brutally honest about verbally abusive past relationships in previous songs, along with his promiscuity," → use your own more foten
• Lucy Jones of The Daily Telegraph claimed that the song "rolls on a tropical-style, meandering beat, veering between moods" and called its chorus "the kind of melodic, emotional stanza you could imagine hearing in a Linkin Park song." → same as previous
• I will take a second look, after you move stuff from here to the composition like I pointed above.

 Done

Commercial performance

• This section has to be trimmed down.
• Not sure how the image contributes to anything in this section? Where they producing the song in that image? The caption doesn't suite either.

•  Not done that is a picture from the fall of 2008, around the time of "Heartless" release and chart success; it is even used in the 808s article. Plus the caption is highlighting some of the key info in the section with a summary, which is fair usage of an image.

Seems useless, mainly on this section. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:34, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

It is giving an overview of the fact that the song marked West's first top ten for a while in both the US and UK without giving all the detail that is provided in the text of the para's body. Therefore, keep?

Fine, keep it. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:59, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

• "The song debuted at number eight on the US Billboard Hot 100, entering the US Streaming Songs chart at number three with 34.2 million streams and selling 13,000 copies in the first-week. This debut was followed by the release of Ye, prior to being issued as a single, it spent five week on the Hot 100" → add in the beggining of the section  Not done per below
• "The song debuted at number eight on the US Billboard Hot 100 following the release of Ye, prior to being released as a single..."Yikes" entered the US Streaming Songs chart at number three with 34.2 million streams, two places behind "All Mine" with 36.3 million streams, though the song gave West his second highest debut on the chart.[39] However, it had a higher debut on the Hot 100 than the track due to receiving more radio airplay and logging 13,000 first-week sales, in comparison to the 6,000 logged by "All Mine", which charted at number 11. → revome

• The stats are def notable as they look at the commercial accolades and why the song charted highest, from reliable sources

Sure but look at the sentece above, I re-wrote it. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:26, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

•  Not done I understood where you're coming from but I'm not changing it to that, since the article reports the stats in explaining why "Yikes" charted higher, so it isn't pointless mentioning of "AM" like when I listed the weeks that the two racks respectively charted. Also, "This debut was followed by the release of Ye," is false; Ye came out before the chart.

We need to make a compromise here. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:34, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

It seems like you are obsessed with size; the stats are notable and just because the section is large, doesn't stop them from being it

• However, it stood → It also stood
• West's 16th Hot 100 top ten was also marked by the debut, tying him with Nicki Minaj for the sixth-most top tens among rappers. → West's 16th Hot 100 top ten tied him with Nicki Minaj for the sixth-most top tens among rappers.
• it spent five weeks on the chart, being outperformed by "All Mine", which lasted for nine weeks. → I don't care about "All Mine". The article regards "Yikes", save it for "All Mine" article.
• Following the release of West and Kid Cudi's eponymous debut studio album as the hip hop duo Kids See Ghosts, the song descended 32 places to number 40 in its second week on the Hot 100. → remove it is not relevant  Not done It has relevance due to showing how the song's performance declines following West releasing more music; I have read WP:USCHARTS btw

Kids See Ghosts is an album, Yikes is a single, they have different charts. I don't even understand the point you are trying to make here. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:06, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I am well aware of that, but since West released an album literally the week after the album with the song on, the position for the second week can be included because albums have songs on them and this means that the release is relevant especially since that article mentions Ye. Make more sense now? --Kyle Peake (talk) 08:43, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

It does, but you should mention that. Saying that songs in that album, did all enter the Hot 100 above Yikes? Debut on the hot 100, thus Yikes dropped several positions in the charts. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:29, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

• becoming the second single from Ye to achieve the certification → same as previous
• The track attained a peak position of number 30 on the Portuguese Singles Chart, while also entering the top 40 of the Danish Hitlisten, Swiss Hitparade, Czech Republic Singles Digitál Top 100, and Hungary Single Top 40 charts. → The track attained a peak position of number 30 on the Portuguese Singles Chart, while also entering the top 40 of the Danish Hitlisten and Swiss Hitparade charts.  Not done the latter two charts aren't any less notable

What I meant to say is you can't have several sources in a row (there are five), try no more than three. It makes the text very clunky. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:51, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

• You don't need to cite every single entry ,it is too much. Do it according to the songs performance, for this let's say peak positions below 40.

 Done

Credits and personnel

• The archive source doesn't work

• I looked on the wayback machine and there is no working archive for this. Isn't it ok to leave the faulty archive url on if the original works fine though, as this is often done in articles? Someone will probably just run fix dead links at a future date when this article has more sources added and it will just end up adding the archive again; there isn't much point in removal truth be told.:

No on wayback machine. Just because it doesn't work now, doesn't mean it will in the future. I fixed it.MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:30, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

• Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between credits and personnel.
• Any specific order here?

 Done

Charts

• For the Denmark pick also use the Hung Medien source.

 Done

Certifications

• Fine

Release history

• How do you know it was sent to "Rhythmic contemporary"? → the article only stats "serviced to radio stations across the country"

• Not doing any edits yet as you said not to, but to reply: the fact it charted on the Rhythmic chart proves that was the release

It is fine if you reply in this cases. It doesn't, songs have charted in various formats withouth having to be released there. Take a look at "Royals" in the US was released to top 40, Rhythmic and AAA and charted on Rock Songs. Songs have been released in one format and charted in others. Just because it entered the Rhythmic charts, doesn't mean it was released there, or does that determine a genre of a song. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:39, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

I understand you now, but should I leave it in the release history col with Radio as the format?

I looked for it on the guidelines, they are not specific. Nevertheless, you should remove it from here as you can't just leave "radio airplay" or something like as it is too broad. On the other hand, you should leave it on the the release section with the ammends I told you to do. I will give it another look after you make the changes. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:16, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done

See also

• Fine

References

• I have some doubts regarding the reliability of Hip Hop N More. There is one editor and one Assistant Editor, none else writers there. Besides, I cant' seem to find their names related to other wokrs in diferent websites. Better if removed the rest is just fine.

• The source has never been cited as unreliable per any discussion, so just because you have "some doubts" about its reliability doesn't mean it has to be removed; the source is often used in other hip hop articles so is most likely fine

Just because it hasn't been discussed, doesn't mean it is reliable. It's fine to have doubts regarding these sort of things. Can you show me other articles with it? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:29, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

2020 in hip hop music, "Die for You" and "Follow God" all use it, among more...

I meant FA or GA, not start or C-class articles. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:19, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

"All Mine"  Done

External links

• Fine.

Overall

@Kyle Peake: The article is quite good and it is informative. I believe that sometimes you go too much on detail, which it is unecessary as you talk about the second single of Ye quite often, since the article is about Yikes keep that to a minimum, I will give you two weeks to adress the issues as I will have to give it a second read aftewards. Please let me know when you are done. Good work! MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:52, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: I'll get it done within two weeks, thanks and will question you with anything I need! --Kyle Peake (talk) 17:59, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: Once I've made edits to the composition and lyrics section, will this article be ready for GA class or are there other areas that require work currently? --Kyle Peake (talk) 06:42, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: I have to read the article once more to see. I have been reviewing articles for the GA backlog, so I'm not sure about the current status. But I will let you know. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:00, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: Should I use EDM as a genre or something like that and is my usage of the review source in reception and composition ok? --Kyle Peake (talk) 18:59, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: If the song has been dubbed EDM by a reliable source, you should. I made some changes, see if you are ok with them. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:31, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: Yeah they're good and I made some changes myself, should I find a source for genre then will this article be ready? --Kyle Peake (talk) 17:52, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: Add the EDM source to composition setion along with the genre, of course and then add the genre to the infobox. Moreover add hip-hop with a source to the compostion. Spoken word and phsycadelic are already there. SO those two are good. Then yes, it will pass. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:08, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: I meant this as a source for EDM or a similar genre, would that work? Also can't seem to find a source for hip hop, should I not add that as a genre or are you sure if genres are obvious that they can't be added anyway? --Kyle Peake (talk) 18:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: "darkened-club" is not specific enough, could be EDM, dance, house, trance and so on an on. You can add that quotation on the compostion, but never read a style from it. If you can't find a source you remove it. Once more like in the first section hip hop is not the same as rap. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:57, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: If I remove hip hop and keep psychedelic/spoken word as genres can this pass? --Kyle Peake (talk) 20:27, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: It will pass. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan:  Done --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)