Talk:Yisrael Mendel Kaplan

notability-tagged Jan 2010

Abductive recently prodded this article and Phil Bridger subsequently reverted on the justification that there is a biography of the subject cited in the article. However, it's unclear whether this is really sufficient in this case. A WorldCat search shows that this bio (published 16 years ago) is held by only 16 instituions world-wide. For comparison, the vanity-published book "Off the Wall" (which has been discussed here before) is held by more than 4 times as many. The article doesn't offer much else that clearly demonstrates notability. It probably should be brought to AfD if additional material cannot be found. Respectfully, Agricola44 (talk) 17:01, 13 January 2010 (UTC).

• I tend to agree. Since the subject is dead, there is no hurry to bring it to AfD. I'll see if editors at WP:WikiProject Judaism have any opinions. Abductive (reasoning) 17:50, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

It needs to be expanded to include his important pupils. If none can be mentioned, there is little evidence of notability. JFW | T@lk 20:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

• Even if he had notable pupils, notability cannot be claimed because it cannot be WP:INHERITED. For example, Oprah's 6th grade teacher (whomever that might have been) is not notable simply for being such. I think the burden rather lies with furnishing WP:RS that show why he is notable. My point is that the above-mentioned book that has been named as such a source may only exist in the form of a handful of copies worldwide and that even vanity-published books (which are not regularly considered reliable) are more widely held. I think that observation raises some legitimate doubt about the book and, consequently, about the subject himself. Respectfully, Agricola44 (talk) 21:35, 15 January 2010 (UTC).
• Support AfD. I have seen the book but not read it; it appears to me that this entire article is based on the book. While Reb Mendel may have been a wonderful role model for his students, Chabad's Rabbi Mendel Kaplan of Florida seems to take up all the Google hits[1]. When I type in "Yisrael Mendel Kaplan", I get a series of Wikipedia mirror sites.[2] And what about that template at the bottom of the page with all the red links? I think that has to go, too. Yoninah (talk) 22:01, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

• I've tagged the template for notability per your observation. Respectfully, Agricola44 (talk) 17:29, 21 January 2010 (UTC).

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